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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 03:00 PM
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Is anyone aware of experimental shapes for ouds, something apart from the traditional bowl? I was wondering about a "cutaway" at the lower edge that your right leg might fit in sitting position, to steady the oud.
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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 03:38 PM


it would be worth trying



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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 05:13 PM


Is a good idea; you could start with a flat-back prototype- that would be no problem of construction. To build a bowl, and then do a cutout would also be fairly straightforward; you'd simply need to be very precise as you cut into the bowl for the cutout.

Can you provide a sketch of your idea?
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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 08:15 PM


These features are regularly found on the ouds of master Saad Al-Tayyar. The following pictures are of ouds made by him.

Enjoy the eye candy :)

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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 08:17 PM


more pictures
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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 08:19 PM


another
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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 08:20 PM


last one
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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 08:33 PM


I guess he is talking about that design



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[*] posted on 3-31-2009 at 09:35 PM
leg cutaway


Yeah, that was the idea basically. There are some guitars (electric mostly) that have pursued this ergonomic idea. Here is one that is similar to what I was thinking.

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[*] posted on 4-1-2009 at 02:19 AM


Hi samir!
You keep on teesing us with these nice Tayyar Ouds :shrug:

But no sound files, no e-mail adress, no telephone number...
Like beautiful gosts.
We have a word for this in norweegian:
HULDER ouds :D :cool:
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[*] posted on 4-1-2009 at 07:03 AM


I feel there are certain classical forms that are not an empty esthetics but really an expression of a long development and refinement - not only with ouds but also with other instruments.
Of course anything can mutate into anything, but I don't think it's necessary or desirable. Already the little cut aways on the ouds presented above kind of disturbe the clarity of form.

Also the little resistances that come from the specific problems with an instrument have an invaluabe side of raising above them through developing refined techniques of overcoming them.

As far as posture issues are concerned, see http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=9024 - it might be a solution without having to change the form of the oud. BTW, this change would bring new problems, because the oud would lie more stable on the leg, but it would be even deeper than it alread is, so it would need an even higher support. That would be replacing one suffering for another ;)

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[*] posted on 4-1-2009 at 07:35 AM


Although the Tayyar ouds are very beautiful, but I dont find any need for cutting away such parts from the oud. I agree with Robert.. it is unnecessary since it can be remedied by adopting different approaches. Personally I find the footstool very comfortable for example.

Besides, the oud is one of the very few instruments you "hug". So if in this position you dont find stability then you may reconsider how you hold it. In my opinion, cutting away a part of the oud to fit it on your leg would create more stability and posture problems.. sometimes you hold the oud slightly different - more to the right, more to the left while playing a single piece.. and that will prevent the freedom in moving your oud between your arms.




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[*] posted on 4-1-2009 at 11:17 AM


Check out the previous thread:

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=6543#pid509... on a Golden Mean Oud.

Cordially...PaulO
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[*] posted on 4-1-2009 at 01:37 PM
cutaway or not


I guess this could be an answer to the problem:
http://mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=9024

I understand the devotion to a design aesthetic that has been around for three or four millenia, but I don't see anything wrong with experimenting. If it proves a useful innovation for someone, fine. If not, then there is still the original archetype.
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[*] posted on 4-1-2009 at 02:15 PM


I fully agree that there is nothong wrong with openness and experimentation. But if we really want experimentation, I'd rather prefer oud builder to reconsider the acoustical principles and ask themselves how the oud can be taken further into its own sound (to speak metaphorically) - I mean to grow to its full potential in terms of sound, playability and tonal strech (range). I think there is plenty of room for improvement without altering the shape strongly.
Partly it already happens (see the efforts of Master Faruk Turunz and others).

This creativity could express itself also if makers would stop to just copying the exteral form (shape) of old ouds and actualize the principles that have led to those great instruments and their sound instead ...

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I guess this could be an answer to the problem:
http://mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=9024

I understand the devotion to a design aesthetic that has been around for three or four millenia, but I don't see anything wrong with experimenting. If it proves a useful innovation for someone, fine. If not, then there is still the original archetype.
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