PeppeOud
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How to place turkish tanbur-yayli tanbur frets??
Hi! I got a beautiful yayli tanbur from a shop here in italy, but unfortunately someone moved all the frets in a wrong way.
Do someone have a scheme or a clear picture to help me putting in the right place again??
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Peppe
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Peyman
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Hi Peppe, I actually have a chart for classic tanbur from a method book but my scanner isn't working. Once I get it to work, I can send it to you or
post it here.
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Can you please post it here for reference? Thanks!
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ALAMI
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Hi Peppe,
I have a great yayli tanbur made by Dr Cengiz Sarikus, I can take measurments (from the nut I guess ?) but I also feel that some of the frets have
moved (and they are anyways made to be movable according to the main maqam you play) and I am not sure now where they should be "by default".
You can always try to "tune" them a bit by ear, for me it takes like forever.
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I like the tanbur very much and have three different method books, but not the instrument! But... I think that in every of these books there is a
numerical table that shows the place of each fret by a millimeter and adjusted to possible scale lenghts from 102 cm to 108 cm. And... my scanner
isn´t working, either... I don´t know if there is an internet source available for this information.
A scan posted here would be great, but if it is not possible, you can send me your address Peppe and I´ll send a paper copy.
I´ve understood that masters like Necdet Yasar make slight adjustments to the frets according to the piece or makam played, but for common mortals
there is a "default placement".
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ALAMI
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Hi Arto,
I've been trying for a year now to play yayli, I couldn't find any teacher in Lebanon and the second problem is that the sound is so loud that I
cannot really practice at home without bothering a lot of neighbors.
Can you please post the references for the method books and your appreciation of each, I'd be grateful.
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PeppeOud
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my email address is giuseppe.frana[at]gmail.com for any resource you can send 
thanks for your precious help..
@ALAMI:
Could you make a photo of the fretboard of your instrument??
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Peyman
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Quote: Originally posted by ALAMI  | Hi Arto,
I've been trying for a year now to play yayli, I couldn't find any teacher in Lebanon and the second problem is that the sound is so loud that I
cannot really practice at home without bothering a lot of neighbors.
Can you please post the references for the method books and your appreciation of each, I'd be grateful. |
The book I have is called Tanbur Metodu by Sadun Aksut. You can purchase it at http://www.tulumba.com/
I don't think there is a specific yayli tanbur method book.
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ALAMI
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Thank you Peyman for the link.
Until now I've only used Yputube, and still cannot understand why the pinky is never used by yayli players even in Hijaz, I try to do like them but it
is not working.
Attached are hi res images of the neck: face,back and closeup with a ruler. Hope it helps peppe. (they are packed in a zip file due to their
resolution)
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Hi Alami,
I have tanbur cumbus and I'm not sure where, exactly, the bridge is supposed to be located on the membrane. Could you indicate which fret corresponds
to the perfect fourth on the neck?
Thanks in advance.
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Peyman
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Today is your lucky day, and mine too, since I got my scanner to work. I uploaded the chart as a rar file. It's a big chart. Tel boyu is string length
and the frequencies of the frets are given. Perde is fret.
[file]10746[/file]
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PeppeOud
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Thanks everyone, you rock!!
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Hi Alami, and other friends,
I have three tanbur books bought because of my interest in the instrument, though I don´t own one yet. The books are in Turkish which I don´t read,
but contain sheet and pictures.
Tanbur Metodu by Sadun Aksut (1989): a thin booklet of 28 pages, a few bad B&W photos, instructions to read standard music notation, some sheet
music picking exercises and music examples. Not very useful, and surely out of print.
Tanbur Metodu by Sadun Aksut (1994). Basically an enlarged and better version of the above. 152 pages: more photos, more diagrams and more sheet
music. This is the books mentioned previously by Peyman.
Tanbur Metodu by Emin Akan (2007). A big book, 216 pages tutor part plus 64 pages of Emin Akan´s own compositions. If I have understood right this is
an enlarged reprint of earlier book (1970?). Lots of exercises, different kinds of picking, lots of compositions, good colour photos, information of
makams etc etc. Includes a VCD that was somewhat disappointing and very basic, but the book itself is pretty good IMHO. But not nearly as good as
Mutlu Toruns Ud Metodu, that is really a gem for even non-Turkish-speaking learner like myself.
The books above are for mizrapli tanbur and do not contain any stuff especially for yayli tanbur.
I have bought books 2 and 3 from Golden Horn Records, but they don´t seem to list Emin Akan´s book now, for some reason. Aksun´s book is a bit
above 20 USD, Akan´s book cost 50 USD when I bought it last year.
best wishes,
Arto
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Peyman
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Good review Arto. If you can't afford a wooden tanbur, try to get a cumbus tanbur for practice. Those are cheaper and pretty much available on
ebay.
Also, you guys should search for "dilruba ensemble" on youtube. It's a small group of Oud, Bendir, Kanun and Yayli Tanbur. I really liked their work.
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Many thanks Arto and Peyman for the infos.
A silly question, is there a way to reduce the volume of a yayli tanbur without harming the instrument ?
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Alami, if the skin is synthetic you could try dampening the skin with a bit of cotton wadding and gaffa tape like they do on snare drums and toms ?
You could do it on the underneath if looks are a concern.
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The skin is natural, sheep, goat, I don't know (Dr Cengiz knows, of course) and the yayli has also a sound post inside, like violin, it is a wooden
cylinder going from under the bridge to the bowl.
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Peyman
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There is a method used in Persian and Azeri kamanchehs to decrease the volume. A piece of cloth called "surdin" is tucked right where the strings rise
to reach the bridge. Depending how deep you tuck it (or forcefully, I guess),
your sound will be affected. I haven't used this on my YT. But seems like a simple enough solution.
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Hi Alami,
I was searching the net for a way to mute my plectrum banjo - it´s not quite my dear wife´s favourite instrument, and I´d like to play it sometimes
without hiding to the most remote corner of my apartment and feeling antisocial...  (She likes the oud, thank God!)
I found this wonderful site with LOADS of useful information. If these easy fixes work for violin, I´d think they would work for yayli tanbur,
too:
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/Banjo/BanjoMutes/banjomute...
Arto
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Peyman
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My simple solution works just as well!
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