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one of the main things I look for is sustaaaaaaiiiiinnnnnnnnn..................................................! |
Thanks Saz
But In general speaking does floating bridge has more sustain compare to fixed bridge? Sorry, my bad....I forget the sound its been a long time since
I tried one floating bridge.
Take care man!
Flip
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"Naseem Al Rooh"
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Aymara
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The one I already got 
Too bad I don't have anything available at the moment, that would make it possible to demonstrate the real sound. Maybe I can fix the problems with my
homemade pickup at the weekend.
Mmh, how should I describe it's sound?
Maybe imagine the sound of Naseer Shammas oud with much more bass, which is realy deep, incredible sustain and without this guitar like sounding
trebbles. That would come close, I think.
But I would prefer a lower action ... 3mm at the end of the neck is ok, but suboptimal for my taste, because I often play in that area.
I think there are other factors much more important for sustain, than the bridge design.
Search through the videos at Youtube, which helped me a lot to find out, which oud design has which sound characteristics. But this isn't an easy
task, because strings play a role too and most videos have a horrible quality. But I found this helpful though.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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fernandraynaud
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Aymara, before you give up on your mic input, make sure it's indeed poor quality. Don't make assumptions! Most input circuits these days have 16 bit
converters with decent specs, but you mustn't overload them. What kind of laptop is it? What audio circuit/chips does the system info declare? Some
are also automatically switched line/mic. and there's power for a condenser mic on the 3rd pin that confuses things more.
If your piezo output is too "hot", and too trebly at that load impedance, it is easy to put in a capacitor to selectively eat high frequencies.
Remember impedance is 1/(2*Pi*F*C) ? in other words impedance drops as frequency rises across a capacitive element. So if you take a potentiometer and
make a little tone control with it and e.g. a .47 uF capacitor you can experiment with how much signal and how much high frequency is passed from the
piezo. It takes very little voltage to overload the mic input. You are probably quite saturating it. With an adjustable filter you might get lucky and
find the right balance that both drops the level enough and selectively passes low frequencies. You have heard what such a pickup can do, keep looking
for the right config.
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Aymara
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It's an old Toshiba M30X-102 with Intel chipset and Realtek AC97 audio.
In the meantime I was able to find a mix with Reaper and the Windows mixer so that the input isn't too high, but the abient/background noise is high.
The pickup works more like a mic than a pickup.
And the sound is like listening through a telephone. If I try to compensate that with Reaper's EQ and a little bit of reverb, my oud sounds like a
Fender Telecaster 
I have a vague feeling, that this problem might be caused by the fact, that it was not possible to remove the piezo element from the plastic housing
without distroying it ... it's glued inside. Next step will be to buy this baby without housing.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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BTW Hey chris Kueschner send me the invoice of the strings. and he gave the bank account for me to deposit the money.
I'll Send the details in my U2U. Read it if you have time....
Maybe some help with the translation.....
Cheers Chris!
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FLIPAX
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Thanks GREG! 
For Editing Some Random Links that some Member Post Recently.
I Hope Your Doing Fine Sir!
Wishing you Long Good Life and Health my friend!
I'm Happy be here in this community of Oudist.
Too much too learn and needs developing. Learning to play Maqams bit by bit. It's Hard if your a Western Listener.
Well Cheers for the Good Arabic Music You All Have Here.
Kindest Regards,
Philip
Salamat
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Sincere thanks Philip.
These spam posts are coming mainly from automated sources, but Mike has now made some minor changes to make it more difficult for the bots. If that
doesn't work, we'll take it up a click or two.
Regards,
Greg
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Aymara
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Don't worry ... we'll get it going
I already answered your U2U.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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Thanks.
I Already Send the PDF.
Tell Me if Its Secure. Coz I never Talk to Mr. Bernd Kuerschner
I Tried Calling Him But Automated machine is always answering.
And Its in German Language...
ok caio!
Flip
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"Naseem Al Rooh"
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We don't work on Saturdays and Sundays in Europe ... it's different as in UAE ... try it Monday or write him a mail.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara |
We don't work on Saturdays and Sundays in Europe ... it's different as in UAE ... try it Monday or write him a mail. |
Hey Chris!
I called already but still Mr Bernd is not answering....
BTW Does anybody here know what kind of coil springs they put inside of the oud to make a reverb
sound?
Sorry about the off topic Guys. I'm Just getting Crazy on this thing.
warm regards
Flipo
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Then try it by email.
| Quote: | | BTW Does anybody here know what kind of coil springs they put inside of the oud to make a reverb sound? |
Ask in the thread, where these springs were discussed. There the chances for an answer will be much better.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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Thanks Chris!
Check this out man!
I found an Alternative Reverb thing. But This u attach this to your fixed bridge. easy to used. On/off Switch for calibration.
It can be Clssical guitar, oud and Violin also. Pretty cool!
Here's the Link:
http://www.recitalbox.de/english/recitalbox-videosound.php
Ok this time I want to share some Picture's. These are b4 Maurice made my oud. Coz he made 3 Ouds for me. The one I have is the 3rd one.
This Is the 1st Oud:
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This Oud I also Like because it has a short fingerboard. And Has The Classic Look. But what happen is Mr Maurice said it would be better if It is
ebony because the humidity level here in dubai is not quite good.
And Having an Inlay fingerboard he said that it is more prone to buzz in a few years especially in a high humid place. So I did change the Rosewood to
Ebony Fingerboard.
This is The 2nd Oud:
Now Funny as it may seem. I suggested the Pick-Guard shape but it didn't like the outcome same as Maurice. It looks good on the sample drawing I gave
Him. But Unfortunately I didn't get lucky. So he made another one again.
Then I choose some of his pickguards and I saw Abady on the jeddah video and it has a Pearl ornament with a flower and I said to him make me like
this. then Bam It really Turn out well.
And as u can see the first 2 ouds are 6 string. while he was giong to make the 3rd one I ask to make a 7string. He said fine ok coz it was Spuce
soundboard not cedar. He said also that it better to have spruce if it is 7 string. Then I said Yeah! So the last oud was Fantastic.
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Thanks.....
Philip
BTW Does the Rosewood Fingerboard w/ Inlays are more Prone to Buzz in a Few Years?
Every time I Hear The Oud, I fall into a Deep Long Trance of Perpetual Bliss!
"Naseem Al Rooh"
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Aymara
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I already read about this Recitalbox, but can't tell you how good it is. I find the Website dissuasive, because they tell some fairy tales HERE.
Regarding the fingerboard wood question, I think you can count on Maurice's words ... he's an experienced enough luthier
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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What's Up Chris my Man?
| Quote: Originally posted by Aymara |
Regarding the fingerboard wood question, I think you can count on Maurice's words ... he's an experienced enough luthier |
Thanks Bud!
Just Curious here.
Btw I Have Uploaded a Video Regarding the " How to avoid a sharper attack sound" Check it man See what's best sound for u. I used 4 Different risha
Materials.
Gracias Amigo,
Philip
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Everything's fine ... but i need to hurry up ... someone from these forums will have a world music concert this evening in a Jazz club in Dortmund
| Quote: | | Btw I Have Uploaded a Video Regarding the " How to avoid a sharper attack sound" ... |
I'll check that tomorrow.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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Hi!
Please Feel Free to Comment on this Thread.
Does the Rosewood Fingerboard w/ Inlays are more Prone to Buzz in a Few Years?
Does anyone has an experience to this?
Deep Appreciations,
Philip
Every time I Hear The Oud, I fall into a Deep Long Trance of Perpetual Bliss!
"Naseem Al Rooh"
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Maybe. I expect exactly, what Maurice told you ... extreme temperature changes and too low or too high humidity can cause problems.
And ebony is harder ... I myself wouldn't want anything else as an ebony fingerboard.
Do you remember, what Tony reported in his "fingerboard coating" thread? That might prevent problems or reduce them and gives a better sustain.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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FLIPAX
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Thanks Chris for the message earlier
Flipo
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Inlay sucks. Anybody who ORDERS inlay on a new oud's neck is creating problems. The problem is that it's a different material. Problems start with
timbre: different tone when fingering on and off the inlay. The way I discovered Tung Oil was that I had to solve this problem, since I had different
timbre on the inlays. If the ebony is exactly the same hardness as the inlay material, you are in luck. Otherwise you HAVE to coat the fingerboard to
even timbre out. Then you discover that a Tung Oil coating holds up very well on wood, and not too badly on the inlays, but rather badly at the
juncture. That's where the worst wear occurs, requiring periodic touch-up of coating. Finally the effect of changes in humidity and temperature are
simple: the inlays start to work their way out. Altogether inlays are a bad idea with no clear reason for being.
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Hi Tony!
WoW Awesome thoughts you have here!
That's one of the reasons which I'm not sure to continue the inlay bone in my oud. Your right it pops out like crazy after a year or two. I have seen
some of that here.
But I never Tried to compare the timbre's of the two. Surely there is a change of tone also.
The only reason I can think off is It looks good visually. And I'm amazed on the design. Everytime I see an Oud Fingerboard w/ inlay I Say Damn! that
really Astounding Work! But Going deeper I realize that it does not support anything on the sound just pure Aesthetics and Showmanship Craft. And It
will be dangerous after 5 Years I supposed.
Cheers Tony!
Philip
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Hi Guys!
BTW Anyone here Has an Oud With maurice pickup installed?
Please add your comments about your shehata with pick-up installed.....
Thanks
Kindest regards
Philip
Every time I Hear The Oud, I fall into a Deep Long Trance of Perpetual Bliss!
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