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Greek tune by Georgios Dalaras

Renato - 6-17-2011 at 11:33 AM

Anybody can tell me the name of this tune and who it is by?
Traditional? His?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trn947Aourk&NR=1

Also, if not a bother, could you give a basic English translation into English? or phonetic Greek for English? I think I might want to play and sing this one.

Ren

MatthewW - 6-17-2011 at 12:35 PM

yes, a nice song, and what a great sounding oud he is playing...anyone know the luthier of this oud?

Ararat66 - 6-17-2011 at 12:39 PM

I was just about to post the same thing - I also like the stregth of playing at the start, and fiery 'ornamentation' :)).

Leon

Mehran - 6-17-2011 at 12:59 PM

I love the greek style of oud playing.

I can tell you its a zeibeikiko (in 10/8 rhythm). Ill see if i can get my greek friends to find the name of the tune

maran - 6-17-2011 at 01:52 PM

it's a zeybek rhythm which is a slow 9/4, not 10/8

Mehran - 6-17-2011 at 01:55 PM

stand corrected!:)

spartan - 6-20-2011 at 10:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Renato  
Anybody can tell me the name of this tune and who it is by?
Traditional? His?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trn947Aourk&NR=1

Also, if not a bother, could you give a basic English translation into English? or phonetic Greek for English? I think I might want to play and sing this one.

Ren


It's not an old song, it's written by Orfeas Peridis I think at 1993
Giorgos Dalaras is a singer, not an oud player , he uses a bouzouki risha here.

this is the original version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IxlDTQ3-Cc

rythm is 9/8


the song is called "The Cigarettes"
the lyrics are simple (my english are very poor and broken)
they tell about a lonely guy that smokes cigarettes and watch the smoke goes up!

In case you like this song, here's another one from Orfeas Peridis, with Nikos Papazoglou on vocals. Nice sabah maqam I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EPC4YnVrjA

giannak - 6-21-2011 at 06:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by spartan  

...Giorgos Dalaras is a singer, not an oud player , he uses a bouzouki risha here...


Geia sou Spartan!

A small correction... George Dalaras is also a *great oud player*, besides a singer. One of the last students of the great master Yorgo Batzanos! :bowdown:

spartan - 6-21-2011 at 09:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by giannak  
Quote: Originally posted by spartan  

...Giorgos Dalaras is a singer, not an oud player , he uses a bouzouki risha here...


Geia sou Spartan!

A small correction... George Dalaras is also a *great oud player*, besides a singer. One of the last students of the great master Yorgo Batzanos! :bowdown:


Geia sou Gianna !
I didnt know that. Are you sure ? Because Batzanos died in 1977 and didnt live in Athens.

Anyway check u2u

Renato - 6-22-2011 at 05:20 PM

Thanks a lot guys. I love this forum community. It also keeps me connected as i feel so far away here in Chile! if someone could type out a few lines of the song phonetically pronounced for english i'd be grateful. I cant read Greek.

giannak - 6-22-2011 at 11:19 PM

Original lyrics in Greek:

Τα τσιγάρα αναβοσβήνω
κάνω το πικρό γλυκό
κι ο καπνός που πάει πάνω
φτιάχνει ένα μηδενικό

Φίλοι με ρωτούν τι κάνω
πώς τα πάω πώς περνώ
κι εγώ ανάβω ένα τσιγάρο
και δεν ξέρω τι να πω

Το ταβάνι θα τρυπήσω
με το νου μου έξω θα βγω
μα ποιος μου ‘βαλε στο χέρι
το τσιγάρο που κρατώ

Αχ ψυχή μου φαντασμένη
και κορμί μου μοναχό
αν εγώ δε σας παντρέψω
σαν τσιγάρο να καώ

English translation:

Cigarettes I light up and then put out,
bitter things I turn into sweet
and the smoke that goes up
forms a zero.

Friends ask me how am I,
what I'm doing, how I spend my time
and I light up a cigarette
and don't know what to say.

I will make a hole in the ceiling
with my mind I'll go outside,
but who put in my hand
the cigarette I'm holding?

Ah, conceited soul of mine
and my lonely body,
if I don't make you one
like a cigarette may I burn.

Pronounciation in English:

Ta tsigara anavo svino
kano to pikro gliko
kio kapnos pu pae epano
ftiachni ena mideniko

Fili me rotun ti kano
pos ta pao pos perno
kego anavo ena tsigaro
ke den xero ti na po

To tavani tha tripiso
me to nu mu exo tha vgo
ma pios mou vale sto heri
to tsigaro pu krato

Ah psichi mu fantasmeni
ke kormi mu monaho
an ego de sas pantrepso
san tsigaro na kao

Hope it helps somehow...

John.
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spyros mesogeia - 6-24-2011 at 04:43 AM

You know....sometimes I wonder...if someone goes next to a great Master-Player does it means that he is also great as his Teacher?
I really doubt that Dalaras was Bacanos student,if he was for sure he does not make the name of this Master proud.
He is a very famous and known singer but HE IS NOT AN OUD player.
The Greek school of oud is much more elegant and sweet.Take a good look to Nikos Saragoudas,and Tsiamoulis,and all the other great old players,Bacanos,Tomboulis....
Anyway,as an oud player I can really fill the guitar pick on his style.and personally I don't like it.

spyros mesogeia - 6-24-2011 at 04:44 AM

and by the way,I think that on this original song Haig Yazidzian playes the oud,maybe I am wrong,but on Peridis I think is Haig.

Renato - 6-24-2011 at 10:11 AM

YOU GUYS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to go to GREECE.... (economic downfall, or not)
!
Thanks for the helpful and thoughtful comments. Very nice!
If you need any Spanish / English translations, let me know.
Signing off, from the incredibly smoggy Santiago skyline!
Ciao,
ren

Ararat66 - 6-24-2011 at 02:56 PM

Christos Tsiamoulis is certainly a wonderful player - there is a sweetness to his tone (I hope this is the player you mention).

Leon

spyros mesogeia - 6-24-2011 at 08:10 PM

yes Leon,This is the guy I am talking about.
Also Apergis,and many many others....

Ararat66 - 6-25-2011 at 02:41 AM

Apergis I like very much - I have a few bits & pieces on various cds.

Leon

Greg - 6-26-2011 at 04:12 AM

What a great piece. I LOVE it.

This is a big ask, but would there be anywhere I could get the sheet music for this piece?

Regards,

Greg

spyros mesogeia - 6-26-2011 at 06:46 AM

I have no idea,but I can ask some friends in Greece

MatthewW - 6-26-2011 at 12:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Renato  
YOU GUYS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to go to GREECE.... (economic downfall, or not)
!
Thanks for the helpful and thoughtful comments. Very nice!
If you need any Spanish / English translations, let me know.
Signing off, from the incredibly smoggy Santiago skyline!
Ciao,
ren


Hi Renato

I'd like to spend some time in Greece/Crete as well enjoying the sun and working on music.:cool:

could you help me out with the translation in Espanol and in English for this version of Lamma Badda which is sung in Espanol.
gracais amigo mio! Matthew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXnHzLPcoA0&feature=related

francis - 6-27-2011 at 12:44 PM

I'd like also to travel in Greece and Crète, to listen and try to understand the way the tunes run, and to find a big cretan laouto....
I just got three turtles from Greece, marginata turtles, with man in dress....they look like strange ouds in the grass, but are friendly with the stranger I am.....
Coming back to this thread, I like the greek song from the first post.
And le curieux Lamma Bada en espagnol est impressionnant!
Merci l'ami Matthew,
et les autres aussi!

Francis

giannak - 6-30-2011 at 11:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by spyros mesogeia  
You know....sometimes I wonder...if someone goes next to a great Master-Player does it means that he is also great as his Teacher?


Certainly NOT! But there are a lot of things someone can learn and absorb from such a brilliant musician! Btw, I've never said Dalaras is a *Master oud Player*, but just a *great oud player*, as Christos Tsiamoulis has told me and as I firmly believe there are a lot of great oud players out there, and even into this forum, and not necessarily professionals. Oud is primarily played with the soul after all...
Quote: Originally posted by spyros mesogeia  

I really doubt that Dalaras was Bacanos student,if he was for sure he does not make the name of this Master proud.
He is a very famous and known singer but HE IS NOT AN OUD player.


Christos has told me that too. Personally, I cannot judge Dalaras "knowledge" and "virtuosity" on the oud, because I don't have any "serious" evidence apart from one or two videos @ youtube. Yes, I agree with you he's a well-known and famous singer. Besides, singing is his chosen career path, not the oud.
Quote: Originally posted by spyros mesogeia  

The Greek school of oud is much more elegant and sweet.Take a good look to Nikos Saragoudas,and Tsiamoulis,and all the other great old players,Bacanos,Tomboulis....

Anyway,as an oud player I can really fill the guitar pick on his style.and personally I don't like it.


I definitely agree!

John.
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