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andalucian repertoire - list

billkilpatrick - 8-31-2011 at 07:44 AM

don't know where this will go but i thought i'd start a list with these two youtube videos featuring some beautiful andalucian songs, perfect for the oud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtO9UoTfiHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQrRZjWRJ6U

Aymara - 8-31-2011 at 12:12 PM

Intersting, Bill.

There are many inspiring videos, like THIS one, which I found, when watching your links.

billkilpatrick - 8-31-2011 at 01:57 PM

interesting arrangement but i couldn't pick out the tune - melody! viva la melodia!!

here's another for the list - anything this woman does is ok with me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3j3Bnd-xtI

Aymara - 9-1-2011 at 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by billkilpatrick  
viva la melodia!!


I'm a former drummer, so melody isn't all for me ... I need rhythm :D

I think our tastes are a bit different ... I myself prefer instrumental oud music.

But nevetheless it's an interesting topic, because Al-Andalus is still alive in andalusian music.
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here's another for the list ...


Andalusian? Sounds very arabic to my ears.

billkilpatrick - 9-2-2011 at 12:21 AM

this could be a very short list! - i would have thought there would be a wider selection of tunes. rhythm is essential - a good, catchy, caravan type rhythm is just the sort of thing i have in mind.

i imagine you're aware of the cantigas de santa maria compilation of tunes - some of those are very rhythmic - marching music for pilgrim-believers.

some of the gnawa music might be fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtbWmrKtXxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBH_0hbHlfY

i also noticed there's a selection of mozarabic tunes available on youtube as well - much too "churchy" for my taste but interesting none-the-less.

Aymara - 9-2-2011 at 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by billkilpatrick  
i imagine you're aware of the cantigas de santa maria compilation of tunes ...


I remember, that you had one interpretation from yourself in your Youtube portfolio, but it seems, you deleted it. Too bad ... I loved it!
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some of the gnawa music might be fun


Yes, very nice, thanks for the tip.

billkilpatrick - 9-3-2011 at 12:08 AM

grazie - "tempus est iocundum" from "carmina burana" ... unfortunately, i contravened carl orff's copyright by playing it.

Aymara - 9-3-2011 at 03:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by billkilpatrick  
... unfortunately, i contravened carl orff's copyright by playing it.


Too bad ... I liked it very much, because your interpretation was unique ... it really rocked :buttrock:

billkilpatrick - 9-3-2011 at 06:37 AM

are we the only two interested in andalusian music? ... an east/west divide, perhaps?

Aymara - 9-3-2011 at 07:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by billkilpatrick  
are we the only two interested in andalusian music? ... an east/west divide, perhaps?


Most people here seem mainly interested in maqams/taksims?

Did you view the BBC documentary I posted in my Al-Andalus thread? There was a photographer from Palestine, who said, that most muslims consider Al-Andalus a "dark age" in islamic history, because the Moors lost the war against the Christians.

Maybe he was right?

I hope not ... it was such a fantastic period of time from which the whole mankind could learn a lot.

Rambaldi47 - 9-4-2011 at 06:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Aymara  
Quote: Originally posted by billkilpatrick  

here's another for the list ...



Andalusian? Sounds very arabic to my ears.

But It is of Andalusian origin. This is from Nouba Zidane of the Algerian
Arab-Andalusian music. Perhaps it's not the kind of Andalusian music
you were interested in, but it is still labeled correctly.

billkilpatrick - 9-4-2011 at 08:18 AM

rimbaldi47 - would you know what sort of music was popular (don't know how else to say it) during the moorish presence in spain and france?

i have one cd by habib guerroumi ("arab-andalusian music" - playasound ps65144) on which he plays nawba in the ramal maya mode. the liner notes state that western nawba of morocco, algeria and tunisia derived from muslim spain between the 8th and 15th century.

is it possible to differentiate between european nawba of that time and that which developed later in n. africa?

Rambaldi47 - 9-4-2011 at 03:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by billkilpatrick  
rimbaldi47 - would you know what sort of music was popular (don't know how else to say it) during the moorish presence in spain and france?

is it possible to differentiate between european nawba of that time and that which developed later in n. africa?


I have no knowledge regarding the popular kind of music at the time,
though I'm sure there are dissertations and books written about
this rather intriguing subject.

I know that Eduardo Paniagua, a musician who often collaborates
with Omar Metuoui on their Ibn Baya Ensamble, has a few albums
which present poems of the Medieval period, in some with melodies
adopted from the Arab-Andalusian melodies from Morocco.

One such album is Wallada, Ibn Zaydún - Una historia de amor y poesía (2003) [edit: apparently the one on amazon.com
is different; don't know if this album is still available for purchase]

billkilpatrick - 9-4-2011 at 11:44 PM

bene - i'll check it out.

i have one cd with eduardo paniagua on it ("calamus/medieval women's songs" and "cantigas di martin codax" - 13th/14th cent., arab/andalusian music - pneuma - cd-pn-050) - good album, with begona olavide singing and luis delgado on oud.

i'm limited in that i can only play a tune i can whistle. so much of the arab repertoire seems to be taken up with decoration and improvisation, imho - technically brilliant but un-whistle-able. with time and more exposure i hope i'll be able to decipher more melodies from the "bling."