Does anybody here play the oud with their fingers instead of using a risha? I know Naseer Shamma and Abadi do from time to time, especially when
they're playing rasgueado. What experiences have you all had - would you adapt classical guitar technique, would you use nails or the flesh of
the fingertip, etc.?
CheersRonny Andersson - 4-5-2004 at 10:53 AM
>Does anybody here play the oud with >their fingers instead of using a risha?
I do but that is as you said from time to time. I'm not much for rasgueado - I use a bourdon technique and also an alternation between risha and
finger when playing tremolo ( you need to be fast -listen to Bashir's Al Hamra). I play with the flesh but sometimes strumming with the nails.chuckerbutty - 4-6-2004 at 02:28 AM
Thanks for that, Ronny. Can you explain what you mean by bourdon technique? I'm familiar with lute and guitar finger styles, but that one's
new to me I'm afraid.
I'm primarily a lute player who's getting more and more into the oud - I suppose when you go back to early medieval Europe, the two were
pretty much the same. Now the lute, which started off being played with a plectrum (risha) in the middle ages ended up being played exclusively with
the fingers. I was wondering whether there are (or have been) any similar tendencies in oud playing. Of course lute music is polyphonic and therefore
must be played with the fingers, but I've heard a lot of oud music (the Bashirs for example) that's sometimes, if not fully polyphonic, at
least chordal.
I'm going off on a tangent here, but exactly how much is known about the oud, its technique and its music in pre-modern times?
CheersRonny Andersson - 4-6-2004 at 11:40 AM
>Thanks for that, Ronny. Can you explain what you mean by bourdon technique? I'm familiar with lute and guitar >finger styles, but that
one's new to me I'm afraid.
Listen to this sound file:Finger I play here with the fingers in the Bashir style - what we call for bourdon (drone?).
In the 20th century have some players used the left hand ¨basm¨ (not like Shamma) but it seems the right hand finger plucking has its origin in the
guitar.
Bashir studied for Segovia.
I'm going off on a tangent here, but exactly how much is known about the oud, its technique and its music in pre-modern times?
This is a question for ûdi Daniel! To bad that he's gone up in smoke or stays inside an egg somewhere....... ûdi where are you?
Wow
LeeVaris - 4-6-2004 at 06:30 PM
That was very cool Ronny!
How about hearing some more of your playing?
Bashir's Al Hamra
oudman - 4-6-2004 at 07:19 PM
Hello
Can anyone post Bashir's Al Hamra, ive never heard it.
Thankschuckerbutty - 4-7-2004 at 01:37 AM
Yes, that was some impressive stuff, Ronny. Answered my question too.Ronny Andersson - 4-7-2004 at 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by oudman
Hello
Can anyone post Bashir's Al Hamra, ive never heard it.
Thanks
Oudman, I could but the file is over 7mb.
This composition was released last year on a recording called ¨The Stockholm Recordings¨ from 1983¨. I have it on tape together with Maqam Bashiri
from a broadcast 1983.
Maybe Mike can help us? I love to play it and it's interesting for the technique!Ronny Andersson - 4-7-2004 at 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by chuckerbutty
Yes, that was some impressive stuff, Ronny. Answered my question too.
Many thanks I really appreciate it!!
I wish to add that my Iraqi tuning on my oud makes it very suitable for this type of compositions. From low to top C D g c f F. so normally is the C
the drone.
Yes Lee, I'll post some more from my own compositions and Bashir before I get it up on my own site.
Dnt forget the KING
elrabee3 - 4-7-2004 at 02:26 PM
guys, if u want to hear a good ous playing with fingers instead of risha, listen to Farido in "La wa aynaeek" Mike - 4-7-2004 at 03:02 PM
Hey Chuckerbutty,
Elrabee3 made a good call to direct you to Farid's intro to Law Eyneyki. You can hear it on this thread. Scroll down just past halfway.
Mike
Figers on the oud
Rufi - 4-7-2004 at 09:22 PM
I live near a famous musician named David Lindley. He has been showing me a technique that he uses to play blues. It is real cool and I love it I
will try to post a clip!!!chuckerbutty - 4-8-2004 at 02:54 AM
Cheers elrabee3 and Mike for pointing that one out. Another interesting example of fingerstyle.
Have you heard the passage in Hiwar bayn al-Mutanabbi wa as-Sayyab where Naseer Shamma doubles the melody an octave lower? Amazed me when I first
heard it.
Rufi, I can't say I've ever heard the blues played on an oud, I'm intrigued now.
