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bluesyOud
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oud versus guitar
east or west?oud or guitar?guitar has bends,slide guitar etc.
oud simply is fretless!!!
I love both although I'm interested in oud nowadays because I"m a beginner!!!!
how can oud and guitar speak with eachother?
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wfspark
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Re: Oud versus guitar.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bluesyOud
east or west?oud or guitar?guitar has bends,slide guitar etc.
oud simply is fretless!!!
I love both although I'm interested in oud nowadays because I"m a beginner!!!!
how can oud and guitar speak with eachother? |
Hello Bluesy. I have an answer to your guitar vs oud question. If you go back to Algeria at about five hundred years ago. The
Algerians used the oud to play the repetative style of music known as the blues. When slaves from Algeria and other parts of west Africa came to
America, they left the oud behind, but it was still in there blood. So, to mimic the mornful sounds of the oud, they used guitars with glass slides or
light steal strings so bends can be executed. This is how the oud can speek with the guitar. So, don't be surprised if you hear me play the blues
Algerian style on the oud. I'm not intending to take the oud out of its original contexts. I'm just trying to be creative with the
historical facts that are out their.
William F. Sparks
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Zulkarnain
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Hi
I think I come across alot of Oud album that features guitar on it (flamenco style for example). They trade solo and backing up each other through out
the songs-kinda normal but my personal opinion, I like to keep the oud as the oud and guitar as a guitar-I will try not to mix them up (for example
using capo or slide and play other style of music using the oud) If I want to do that I pick up my guitar and do it.
Regards
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bluesyOud
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wfspark this is amazing!!!!!
If you have more information on the subject please post.
I saw once an instrument played in India
on Tv which was the same thing as a slide guitar it was amazing!!!!
And know comes this thing about Algeria.
I gave up searching the blues a yaer ago because I wanted to find something closer to my culture,
but Music is everywhere!!!!
Thanks man please post more information if you can!!!!
I really want to hear a sound sample of
your playing on Oud .if you want post something!!!!
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bluesyOud
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some kinds of Traditional music in Greece use Pentatonic
scales !!!
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bluesyOud
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Zulkarnain I agree that any music must keep it's identity!!!
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Zulkarnain
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Hi
dont get me wrong though-I love khalih Abou Rabih Jazz/Oud music and Omar
Bashir with Flamenco guitar-I like to hear but maybe just not my style to do it!
Salam
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bluesyOud
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Zulkarnain I agree that any music must keep it's identity!!!
But experimentation leads you to
the limits,which means that something really progressive happens or something really awfull!!!!
In my opinion experiments are worth the try,even if the result is pointless!!!
Examples like Rabi Shankar make me
believe in an open minded music world,in
which many different people live and progress alltogether in Harmony!!!
But above all everyone should have his own identity that's the more important thing in my opinion!!!!
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Zulkarnain
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Hi
as a guitar player I cant agree anything more than that dude!
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bluesyOud
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Zulkarnain I've recorded ,something
which shows the way the oud affected
my guitar playing!!!!
I believe the oud is great influence and I really enjoy that!!!
(these days I touched the guitar only
a few moments,I can't stop playing the oud).
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Brian Prunka
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Something you guys might like is Saltanah, Simon Shaheen's recording with V.M. Bhatt. Bhatt is an Indian who plays a kind of slide guitar in his
lap, in Indian style. they improvise together, kind of like the record of Simon and Jihad Racy, taqasim. It's some of Simon's best
playing.
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Zulkarnain
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Hi Guys
If anybody can post those clips here would be great!
Thanks!
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Brian Prunka
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here's one:
Simon Shaheen and V.M. Bhatt-Maqam Hijaz
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bluesyOud
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Wow ,amazing Brian!!!!
unfortunately I can't find recordings
like that here!!!!
but it's ok ,I have two voyages in my mind:
1.Egypt
2.India
The dream will come true one day!!!!!
I BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!
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wfspark
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Re: oud vs guitar.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bluesyOud
wfspark this is amazing!!!!!
If you have more information on the subject please post.
I saw once an instrument played in India
on Tv which was the same thing as a slide guitar it was amazing!!!!
And know comes this thing about Algeria.
I gave up searching the blues a yaer ago because I wanted to find something closer to my culture,
but Music is everywhere!!!!
Thanks man please post more information if you can!!!!
I really want to hear a sound sample of
your playing on Oud .if you want post something!!!!
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Hello Bluesy. That
instrument that they use in India is the rudra vena. This is an instrument that is basically a pole with strings attached with a gord on each end of
the pole. I'd do a sound sample, but I don't have any recording equipment. And yess, the oud is still used today. In fact, most of the
modern oud players use an electric oud. It's pretty net! I've got a question for you. Do you think those stic-on classical guitar transducer
pickups would work on an oud? Thanks.
William F. Sparks
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wfspark
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Re: oud vs guitar.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Zulkarnain
Hi
I think I come across alot of Oud album that features guitar on it (flamenco style for example). They trade solo and backing up each other through out
the songs-kinda normal but my personal opinion, I like to keep the oud as the oud and guitar as a guitar-I will try not to mix them up (for example
using capo or slide and play other style of music using the oud) If I want to do that I pick up my guitar and do it.
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Hey Zul. I don't think we're talking about mixing styles of playing technique; I think
we're talking about how the oud can blend with the guitar. You don't have to use finger picking or slide guitar to make an oud blend with a
guitar. The Africans have proven that. Really if you think about it, the guitar's playing techniques came from the middle east. So, it's
really not that hard to blend a guitar with an oud. If the Africans can do it, so can we! If you have any questions, please poast. Thanks.
William F. Sparks
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Zulkarnain
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Hi
Oh! Sorry William-I appologize for that
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David Parfitt
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Hi
I would just like to clear up some confusion.
The rudra vina (or bin) is an ancient Indian classical instrument with frets and two large gourd resonators (see first picture below).
The Mohan vina, however, was invented by Vishwa Mohan Bhatt relatively recently (see second picture below). It is based on an arch-top guitar, and as
well as the melody strings it has four drone and twelve sympathetic strings. It is played across the lap - the right hand plucks the strings using
plectra on thumb and index finger, while the left hand stops the strings with a steel slide.
Best wishes
David
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wfspark
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Clarification
| Quote: | Originally posted by David Parfitt
Hi
I would just like to clear up some confusion.
The rudra vina (or bin) is an ancient Indian classical instrument with frets and two large gourd resonators (see first picture below).
The Mohan vina, however, was invented by Vishwa Mohan Bhatt relatively recently (see second picture below). It is based on an arch-top guitar, and as
well as the melody strings it has four drone and twelve sympathetic strings. It is played across the lap - the right hand plucks the strings using
plectra on thumb and index finger, while the left hand stops the strings with a steel slide.
Best wishes
David |
Hello David. Thanks for the clarification! I look at articles of clasical instruments all the time,
and they always told me that the rudra vina was used with the slide. Well, I know where to go for my middle eastern and indian information! Thanks!
William F. Sparks
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Ronny Andersson
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>Y>ou don't have to use finger picking or >slide guitar to make an oud blend with a >guitar.
Indeed , I have heard Omar Bashir playing duo with a classical guitarist. Don't put the oud on a pedestal...
Best wishes
Ronny
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bluesyOud
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| Quote: | Hello Bluesy. That instrument that they use in India is the rudra vena. This is an instrument that is basically a pole with strings attached with a
gord on each end of the pole. I'd do a sound sample, but I don't have any recording equipment. And yess, the oud is still used today. In
fact, most of the modern oud players use an electric oud. It's pretty net! I've got a question for you. Do you think those stic-on classical
guitar transducer pickups would work on an oud? Thanks.
William F. Sparks |
Allthough I'm not aware of subjects concerning classical guitar,I believe yes.
Because the strings of an oud are related
with the strings on classical guitar.
In an electric guitar this is simplier matter,because in the electric guitar you have metalic strings on a magnetic Field
(pickups).I'm not sure of what happens with nylon strings!!!!
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Laith
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oud and the guitar
Hey!
The oud doesn't have to used in a flamenco and classical guitar setting--I have been in many wonderful settings where I have played oud with
electric guitar, bass, drum set, rebab and didgeridoo. I have also done some stuff with rappers (some of it quite funny) and I've played with
some really crazy jazz musicians that had horns and organ and stand up bass, as well as with an ensemble that included banjo and sitar. I If the oud
has enough volume, it can go with anything!
Take care and good luck to all--Laith
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Brian Prunka
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Here's an example of oud & guitar together, from Bill Frisell's record "The Intercontinentals".
This one has Frisell on guitar, Christos Govetas on oud, and Sidiki Camara on percussion.
yala
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Brian Prunka
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from the same album:
The Young Monk
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bluesyOud
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Brian ,that's coooooooooool!!!!!
hot hot hot stuff!!!! man!!!!
 
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