Marcus
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gut strings
Hi fellow oudists  ,
did anybody ever tried Kürschner gut strings??
Are they worth the price ( +- 65€ ), and are the bass string pure gut too? Did they last longer than "usual" strings?
Everytime I´m looking for new strings they bring me into temptation, but they are really expensive!!
Sounfiles of gut-stringed ouds are very wellcome
Cheers Marcus
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Marcus
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WHY DOES MY BOUNCER NEVER BOUNCE???
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Hi Marcus!
Your Bouncer is not dancing man! Maybe Needs some new string to go........
Regarding the gut, Sounds a Little warmer and Less Sustain But their good depending on the players taste.
Have Fun Hope You Find Your Perfect sets for you.
Yes They Do Last a Long Time Compare to other sets!!!
P:S: I'm also ordering Kueschner PVF's (Damn How Do You Spell That!)
Cheers,
Flip
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Hi Marcus
I've not tried gut strings, but I've been meaning to do so. As you say, it's an expensive business. I think when and if I get a new oud with a fixed
bridge I'll try it. My current oud has a floating bridge and I'm not sure how that would work.
The sound would likely be very clear but with less sustain - a little like nylgut (I use the high tension nylgut set and to be honest it's probably a
much more practical and economical solution. Nonetheless, experiments must be done!)
I'm not aware of anyone else having done it, but I'm sure somewhere in the history of these forums there must be some experimental soul who has.
As i understand it, there's a Kurschner set of gut strings but the bases are the standard metal-overwound nylon filament construction. Modern gut
strings don't tend to work very well for bases. Lutenists usually use gut bases which have an increased density - either "gimped" strings, which have
been wound together with a single strand of fine wire, or "loaded" - soaked in metal salts. Non-purists often mix plain gut with nylon overwound
strings on the low pitch strings. I think this works perfectly well, so was planning to use this solution on the oud (a single gimped string will cost
about £20. gulp!)
Incidentally, I wouldn't think you'd need to go with Kurschner just because they offer a set. Gut from any other maker (pyramid, aquila, gamut for
larger gauge strings) would probably work out at a similar price and at that cost, it's probably best to try to work out a set of gauges that will
work best for your string length, rather than taking a standard set. In terms of quality, I think they all tend to be of a similar standard, but with
some differences in final tone, which would come down to a matter of personal preference.
Trial and (expensive) error! Please report back and let us know what you find. If you can make 2 recordings, one with newish nylon strings and one
with your gut set, that would make a very useful comparison!
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Lenzner plain gut
Hello
I'm using Lenzner plain gut - g and c (Arabic tuning) on my Belhaiba oud. The rest of the strings I'm using is Pyramid lute.
Regarding the gut stings- the sound is deeper and warmer, its not so easy to make glissando (I'm a beginner but my master teacher-Ihab NI'mer- used
them and felt the same), other then that they need to be maintained- olive oil when they r new and clean them every day- other wise they will not last
- they r sensitive and can break easily.
I think its worth it- they cost in Israel +- 10$ for pair.
Where can u order complete set ? I want to try it
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Ofer
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If you want to try all gut basses (i.e. unweighted) your best bet would be to contact one of the historical gut string makers who are making strings
for the lute. In addition to Aquila (Mimmo Perrufo) and Gamut (Dan. Larson) there is Northern Renaissance Instruments (Eph. Segerman). I am not sure
if the Pyramid gut strings are intended for plucked instruments. I know nothing about Kurschner or Lenzner strings.
The thicker gut basses must be constructed in a manner that makes them more flexible and elastic in order to work on a plucked instrument.
Although costly, all gut basses - by all accounts - last a long time whereas the thin gut trebles generally have a low life expectancy (a week or so).
Gut strings are sensitive to humidity change that can cause tuning - not to mention string breakage 'at the worst possible moment' - problems when
used in 'live' concerts. Professional lutenists who may record in the temperature/humidity controlled environment of a recording studio using all gut
'historically authentic' stringing may be unlikely to risk using all gut stringing when 'on tour' for these reasons.
So , for those brave souls willing to try all gut - as DaveH suggests - let us all know how it works out.
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Hi omazuz!
Why did U not use the Pyramid Lute nylon trebles?
Are they not good?
Hi!jdowning!
Did U already tried the Pyramid Lute? If yes How did you find the nylon trebles?
Thanks 
Philip
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Yes, I have been using Pyramid lute strings for well over 30 years. I prefer their PVF trebles to their plain (unpolished) nylon.
No comparison to all gut stringing, however!
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Quote: Originally posted by jdowning  | | Yes, I have been using Pyramid lute strings for well over 30 years. I prefer their PVF trebles to their plain (unpolished) nylon.
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Thank for the reply....
Yes its Very far sound compare the gut strings.
Gut Strings has a very classic sweet sound to it.
If you see all recordings here and there also videos everywhere the sound becomes very thin its like your using PVF's
Quite wierd don't you think.
For Example. You have a Amazing gut string set then you've been playing it for quite some time now and you are used to that sweet warm sound when you
play.
Then after......
You want to practice and watch some videos to learn something...
Then bam!
all the videos are thin sounding then when you play with them or jam them on the video you will here a big difference after a while you will notice
that your Oud sound becomes Very Flat and dull and not responsive as the video that you are watching. and you can't keep up coz u sound like a flat
liner!
Anybody feels this coz I felt it too. Hopefully You Understand My Grip Here.
So Now I dont like anymore gut or flat sounding strings!
Then I said to myself...... Damn!
My Tone Tone sucks Man!
But im Using the Best Gut or silk string....
BTW goodluck!
Happy Hunting!
Philip
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Aymara
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Hi!
| Quote: Originally posted by DaveH | | ..., it's probably best to try to work out a set of gauges that will work best for your string length, rather than taking a standard set.
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... which is no problem, when ordering directly from Kuerschner. He will manufacture accourding to the given measurement of the oud, length from
bridge to nut and from nut to peg, and given tension desire.
Regarding his website only the first 2 courses are gut, the 3rd too, if desired, but courses 4-6 are wound nylon.
But when I see the humidity, maintenance and lifetime problems, I ask myself, if Nylgut isn't the better choice.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Marcus
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Hello all
Thanx for the replys!!
Hi Flip
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P:S: I'm also ordering Kueschner PVF's (Damn How Do You Spell That!)
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Looks a bit like turkish spelling , but germans use the ü to
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Have Fun Hope You Find Your Perfect sets for you. |
Thanx man,I`ll try to keep the fun, but as soon as it comes to string-choosing-changing-business its kinda hard for me.Since ever I´m a player,figure out sounds,strings Hardware etc is not really my thing.Actually
I`d love to have a "roady"
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they need to be maintained- olive oil when they r new and clean them every day |
UUUCH one more reason for a roady!!!
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Where can u order complete set ? I want to try it |
Matthias, a member of this wonderfull forum sells KUERSCHNER sets.
If I can jump over my shadow and spend this much money on strings,I`ll report and record.
Cheers
Marcus
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WHY DOES MY QUOTE`S DO NOT HAVE THE.......Originally posted by.....?
Help pleeeeeeeeeeease!!
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Hi Marcus!
I prefer ordering directly from the manufacturer ... he will manufacture the strings for MY oud's dimensions.
But as I mentioned before ... the Kuerschner set isn't a complete gut set ... only the trebble strings are gut strings, the rest is wound nylon.
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You need to use "rquote" instead of "quote" ... click on the quote button to see the needed syntax, cause the quote button always leads to a "rquote".
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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