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santour tunning
HEy guys
I have a santour and i need to knwo how to tune it. with gods help i will post pics tommorrow.
i need the iranian tuning.?
thx sammy
we are lost camels in the desert and wanna find our way to water and the water is in aden
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Hey, I play the hammered dulcimer, so I am also a big fan of the Persian santoor!
Here is a page that has a tuning diagram:
http://www.santur.com/papers.html
I have found some players on MySpace and if you have an account, you might want to send them a message for advice. Here are a couple:
http://www.myspace.com/nedamohagheghi
http://www.myspace.com/amiramiri
Someday, when I have the extra money, I was planning on buying one (and an Indian Santoor too).
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ZHey
how r ya. thx for the info. you have a hammered dulcimer? if so what do you tune yrs to. bc i got a hammered dulcimer from this scottish friend of
mine and i bought it for like $100 and its in amazing condish , he sold it cheap to me bc i helped him out in his times of needs. he said it was a
hammered dulcimer and he ayed back in 1970 $400. but he said he never used ti bc it was to heavy and he did not wanna bother with it.
i thought the hammered dulcimer and the santour was the same thing. let me see if i can up load a pic of it .
thx sammy
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The Santur is tuned for each dastgah or avaz (maqam). There are variations acccording to regional preferences, modern or old traditional, polular,
etc. -some links-
http://www.tonbak.com/
http://www.duke.edu/~azomorod/persian2.html
http://www.nejadmusic.com/classes.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0934211221/theiranianA/
The santur and hammered dulcimer are of the same family and evolved from an ancient instrument found in Summaria, c 2,500 BC. Variations are found in
many cultures including India, China, Hungary, Ireland, Appalachia and others.
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Dr Oud: Thank you so much! Those links are very useful!
Oudplayer: even though they are similar, the Persian santoor is different in some important ways (tuning, movable bridges, strings per course and the
hammers to name a few).
The picture you uploaded is a hammered dulcimer. A really nice looking one too. It is not that common for a 12/11 hammered dulcimer to have that many
strings per course (it looks like four strings per note). Two strings per note/course is common, but I have seen three strings per note on a few
models.
The reason why it is called a 12/11 is the 12 courses on the left and the 11 on the right. It is one of the few Western dulcimer models that has
consistent tuning. You can find a chart here:
http://www.dustystrings.com/building/d10.shtml
I will try not to get into that much detail, but the lowest note is there on the bottom right and that is the upper G in the bass clef.
A Persian santoor would have the note directly across from that be an octave, but the hammered dulcimer's neighbor is a 5th. The hammered dulcimer is
a lot more versatile, but if you want semi tones, you will have to tune one of the notes to that (which might cause problems on the middle and left
notes because they are a 5th apart). The one cool thing about the santoor is that if you want to change the note, you slide the bridge of that note to
one side or the other. It is not as convenient as the mandels of a qanun, but it works.
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Hey cooper
dr: thx for yr info liek i always do . thx buddy
ok cooper: thx man i dont know much about it if u can tell me more i would love it. it has 12 , 4 strings and 11, 3 strings = 81 i think lol.
its very well made. and looks like mahagany and oak wood. how much would you say its worth about.
thx sammy
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Wow, that is more strings than a regular santoor (72 strings). My hammered dulcimer has 62 strings (16/15 semi chromatic).
Without playing it, it is hard to give advice, but if you think it is in good condition (no cracks, all the strings, sounds decent, etc.) you could
ask no less than $200...(I would not ask for more than $400 since new Dusty Strings models start at that). Like I said, it is hard to guess with a
pictures (sorry).
Here is a good resource for the hammered dulcimer (especially the American or Western one): http://everythingdulcimer.com
They have a place you can list it and a forum (it is mostly dominated by mountain dulcimer players, though).
The Persian santoor has such a beautiful sound, but for 72 strings, I wish it was chromatic (which is why I have not bought one yet). The Iraqi
santoor is chromatic, but good luck finding one any time soon. We have a guy who plays one around here and also sings over some of his music. I wish
he played more in public because I love that type of music (the Tar rocks too).
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