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fernandraynaud
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Good start! Take a look at the details.
http://www.maqamworld.com/maqamat/rast.html
First of all, almost every maqam is like a western scale in that it consists of 7 notes plus the octave note, so it's convenient to consider it 8
notes total, where Rast starts on C and ends on the c an octave up. May as well play it that way.
Arabian tradition has a different name for what western tradition calls the same note an octave up, they call the base C "Rast" and the high c
"Kardan", but it's an octave, C to c.
You're playing it like a major scale. Rast is not a C major scale. There are two main departures from a major scale:
- the E, the third note, is flattened a quarter tone, not quite down to E flat that we would consider a minor third, but lower than a major third.
- the B right below the C is flattened a quarter tone (to B half-flat) when playing on the way up and flattened a half tone (to B Flat) on the way
down. If you end the scale on the high c, instead of on the B the way you did, you can nicely play the B differently on the up and down.
You can hear it very clearly here:
http://www.maqamworld.com/realaudio/maqamat/buzuq/maqam_rast_C.rm
This is not all that unusual, in western music the minor scale is often handled differently in ascending and descending melody lines, look up "melodic
minor".
If you are not marking the neck or the strings, I think it's worth doing for a while, as it's a good way to see how the half flats lie between the
"natural" notes.
The screen capture below is from OudProf's DVD. You can see how the B half-flat he is fingering is between the B natural and the B Flat, and the
diagram shows how the B half-flat is played when ascending, and the B Flat when descending. The position of the c Kardan on the 2nd string I circled
in red and the E natural( that is not used in Rast) I circled on the diagram in green.
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oudtab
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Bonjour Falcony,
Thanks for your U2U.
About your oud problems, I've written few lines about this at : http://sites.google.com/site/oudguitare/generalities
For slipping pegs you have also this : http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=10210 and http://www.theviolinman.co.uk/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=Pr...
Don't hesitate to go and see a luthier!
About Enta Omri (tuning : DGAdgc), to transpose it, I've used a music score for some parts and a bad quality recording for others parts. Idem for
Gamil Gamal, Karahmana (Farid El Atrache)...etc
You can hear the tab dowloading the file "TEF" for TableEdit (download the free version of Tabledit at http://www.tabledit.com/download/index.shtml). It's very useful.
If you're learning oud, begin with tunes like "Askadar", "Nassam Alayna Al Hawa" or "Dulab Rast" (16 bars).
About the dots (neck markers), in french we would say : c'est un faux-problème "it's a false problem". Some guitarists don't use it (classical or
flamenco), others use it (jazz, rock, folk...etc).
Most of jazz/rock/folk guitars are built with dots. Most of classical or flamenco guitars are built without dots. Paco de Lucia don't use dots, John
McLaughlin uses them and they can play together.
If the dots can help you, use it. The dots are for the player not for those who are listening, and the music is not better with or without dots...
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Falcony
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ok Thanks for the tips fernandraynaud and Oudtab!
I don't have stickers on my oud yet, I have to buy sticker dots would be best on side of the neck. I have tuned my oud Fadgc, so how many dots should
I have on the side of the neck..
When it comes to finger positions, thats a bit tricky, but I guess the rules are logic? Using the finger that is closest to the note you are about to
play.. are there rules or is it logic? Oud tutor shows the finger positions which is good.. but I've seen videoclipps on youtube when people use
different fingers to play for instance maqam rast.
Now I've recorded a new soundfile where I go to C kardan, so I hope I nailed this rast maqam.. maybe the b half flat, 3rd note might be off, not
sure.. using Aptuner to sync with.. I figured that Aptuner showing E3 -40 cents is b half flat..
I dont know how to read sheets, but I would like to "convert" a notes sheet into notes with letters.. is there any program for this? Or maybe slow
down the recording in order to play them on at a time and figure out the notes with Aptuner.. how do people ussually do? (those who can not read
sheets)
thanx
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Falcony
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Hijaz D
I'm practiing on Hijaz on D.. can anyone give me feedback? Thanks
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