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Dr. Oud
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here's the back, looks familiar, no? It's even missing the same top rib as Ronny's, Hmmm....?
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spyrosc
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Label
Dear Dr. Richard,
The label on this oud is interesting. It seems like it is in two parts, top and bottom. The bottom part looks newer (the ink is darker too) and I
believe it must have been attached by a person making repairs.
The top label has a picture of Roufan Nahat and his name over it. There is some more writing in front of his name but it's not very legible, and
I'm still working on it. Underneath the label it says "In Damascus" and then some writing that is very faint but I believe I can see
"Year 1882 ?" Not clear.
The bottom label says clearly "17 Haziran". Haziran is the Syrian name for the month of June. Then it says "Year 1912" ? There is
a break in the label and I'm not totally sure, but it makes sense.
It also has the serial number of the oud "1639".
If I can make out some more info, I'll let you know.
Spyros C.
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spyrosc
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Label
Sorry, in addition to "In Damascus" it says "In Damascus - El Sham".
El Sham is the name for Syria and some times also for Damascus (used interchangeably).
Spyros C.
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Adel
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Thank you Dr oud....
Please have a look at the label inside my 1905 Roufan and Abdo Nahat....
Roufan is on the right and Abdo is on the left...
Adel
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Rufi
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Nahat label
Greetings Adel,
Could you please send me or post some more pictures of the label in your oud as well as some pictures of this oud?
My email is Rufie@verizon.net
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spyrosc
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Oud Labels
Interesting comparison between the labels of Dr. Richard's and Adel's ouds.
I talked earlier about the good Dr's label.
Adel's of course is partly hidden behind the rosette and you can't see a lot, but you can see what I believe is the French word
"Freres" on the right hand side, meaning "Brothers" and you can see in Arabic "Nahat" so this is a "Nahat
Brothers" label as opposed to the other one which is just "Roufan Nahat".
Also it says in Arabic "since 1880" in "Damascus Syria".
Then the bottom triangualr piece says "7 Iyar 1905", Iyar being the Syrian name for May. And then the number of the oud, partially obscured
(one somewhat interesting point is they are using here the "European" word "Numero" in constrast to Roufan's that uses the
Arab word for number.
The interesting question is the chronology. Earlier I thought I saw on Roufan's label in very faint ink the number 1882 and then in strong ink
the year 1912 (?) on what I thought was a "repair label". Apparently by 1905 they were putting out labels as "Nahat Brothers since
1880" whereas, if I'm correct about the faint ink the Roufan oud says "Year 1882". I could be wrong and it could be that Roufan
separated himself from the "Brothers" by 1912. Or this is not Roufan in the picture of Adel's.
Anybody any ideas ?
Spyros C.
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Adel
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Here is another photo for an "Ikhwan" Nahat oud. Notice the names in Arabic on the shirt collars.
Adel
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spyrosc
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Names on collars
Thanks Adel. I can see faintly the name "Roufan" in Arabic on the collar of the man on the right, and he looks like a much younger version
of the man on Dr. Richard's oud, who was also Roufan. I cannot see the name on the collar of the man on the left, as it's totally hiding
behind the rosette.
Of course it's not unusual in those pictures to always show people in their youth, and even to show father and son at the same age of their life
(a superposition of two pictures).
I wish I could see Dr. Oud's label more clearly, because there is more writing on it that is too faint in the picture.
Spyros C.
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spyrosc
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Names on collars
Oh, from the previous picture I see the "Abdou" on the collar of the man on teh left. I hadn't noticed it before.
So it is definitely Abdo Nahat on the left and Roufat Nahat on the right.
And it definitely says in Arabic and French "Nahat Brothers".
Of course that doesn't exclude the possibility that hey might be father and son (the brothers being more people not shown here). It doesn't
also exclude the possibility that there were two Roufan's one the brother and the other the son of Abdo.
But all these aside, judging just from the label, it appears to be that Abdo and Roufan were brothers.
Spyros C.
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Adel
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Spyroc c,
I know only of 1 Roufan...
also, I know that Ikhwan Nahats has produced thousands of ouds....this is according to oud labels
If you go back to the 1889 Ikhwan Nahat oud which was on Musurgia for sale, you will notice that it carry's the no 402,
My 1892 Ikhwan Nahat oud carry's the no 503, so in 3 years Ikhwan Nahat has produced over 100 oud...
This familly has produced more ouds than any other oud makers in the Arab world
Also, do not forgot that too many makers were involved, Abdo, Roufan, Hana, Georgy, Anton, Ilyas, Tawfiq.....etc
Again, this is according to oud label
Adel
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spyrosc
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Nahat Brothers
Shukran ya Adel. I agree with you. There was probably only one Roufan. I was trying to plausibly reconcile Dr. Richard's information.
I'd love to see your 1892 oud & label.
Salamat
Spyros C.
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Jameel
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Yes, Adel, We would love to see some pics of your Nahats.
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Elie Riachi
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Yeh, and hear its voice also
Elie
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