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[*] posted on 5-20-2010 at 12:11 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Ezz-the-oudplayer  
Im a big fan of deep sounding arabic ouds.


Then stay away from high tunings like the one your teacher recommends or the Iraqui tuning the LaBella strings are designed for. CFAdgc or CEAdgc is the way to go, if you like a deep bass.

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... maybe he can help me.


It's definitely worth a try.

Quote: Originally posted by Ezz-the-oudplayer  
he recently started playing oud, he is mostly a piano player and uses the piano to tune my oud.


It's no problem to tune an oud with a piano, but I think you should search for a teacher, who's main instrument is oud and who isn't an oud beginner himself. Learning from an oud beginner might lead to wrong techniques and it will be hard to get rid of them once you got used to them.

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I try tuning my oud to the recommended tuning u guys gave me but it is extremely hard.


Ok, fine tuning isn't easy in the beginning, but with the help of the AP-Tuner software I mentioned above, you should be able to tune to standard arabic tuning CFAdgc, which will be shown in AP-Tuner as C2F2A2D3G3C4.

Maybe do it together with your teacher.




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[*] posted on 5-20-2010 at 01:35 AM


Ezz, did you check this out? You can compare the pitches to yours.

http://www.arabinstruments.com/112730/Online-Oud-Tuner




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[*] posted on 5-20-2010 at 08:56 PM


the problem i had with tuning the oud was i get many letter with many number so i dont know which C should i have . But now thanks to you ill put C2F2A2D3G3C4.
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[*] posted on 5-20-2010 at 08:57 PM


@sazi

yes my friend i tried it and it helps but doesn't solve my problem.
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[*] posted on 5-21-2010 at 03:52 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Ezz-the-oudplayer  
But now thanks to you ill put C2F2A2D3G3C4.


... where C2 is the deep bass string and C4 the highest course (double string).

You'll notice, that it is hard to get the pointer exactly in the middle. But your tuning should be acceptable, if it is not more than + 5 or - 5 away from the center.

Tuning with the online tuner, that Sazi mentioned, is hard for early beginners, who usually doesn't yet have the trained ear needed to tune by ear, like your trainer does with the help of the piano.

But to get the desired bassy oud sound will require good strings, like Pyramid for example. The LaBella are not first choice, if you want to use the standard arabic tuning CFAdgc, because they are designed for FAdgcf.

Keep in mind: The best oud sounds horrible with cheap strings or a tuning, which is very different from the tuning, the strings were designed for.




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[*] posted on 6-4-2010 at 02:51 PM


Hello everyone. I finally tuned the oud to the original arabic tuning. Hamdellah (thank god) it sounds great. I just keep tuning it back because the strings are still new. Im getting the hang of tuning the oud too. Im really enjoying playing it now. It's really starting to feel like MY oud.

Thank you all for your great help.
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[*] posted on 6-4-2010 at 02:56 PM


Congratulations Ezz. Will you keep the standard arabic tuning or switch between both tunings?



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[*] posted on 6-4-2010 at 03:02 PM


:D Yet another successful oud story brought to you by Mike's Oud forum!:D


THANKS MIKE!!!:applause::bounce:




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[*] posted on 6-4-2010 at 03:17 PM


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Congratulations Ezz. Will you keep the standard arabic tuning or switch between both tunings?


of course ill keep the standard arabic tuning , it sounds so much better. this is going so sound cheesy but it understands my broken heart, haha.
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[*] posted on 6-4-2010 at 05:00 PM


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this is going so sound cheesy but it understands my broken heart.


Doesn't sound cheesy to me, I know exactly what you mean!
A good deep rich sounding oud is perfect for expressing feelings that can't really be expressed properly in words.




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[*] posted on 6-4-2010 at 11:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Ezz-the-oudplayer  

of course ill keep the standard arabic tuning , it sounds so much better.


You're not alone with this opinion. Many people say, that higher tunings like FADgcf sound like a Flamenco guitar ;)




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[*] posted on 6-5-2010 at 07:55 PM


one small problem is my pick (reesha) is making a small clicking noise when i play it. i;ve tried sanding it but no luck
any ideas?

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[*] posted on 6-5-2010 at 10:09 PM


Ezz, where is the click? You have to carefully analyze its origin and be able to say exactly what is striking what. You can be hitting the soundboard without realizing it. Some ouds have very little space between the strings and the soundboard, as a price for having a low action, and if you are playing hard, you might have to play over the soundhole. You can just be striking the strings wrong, and need to hold the oud face more vertical.

What kind of risha do you have? You might be clicking on the next course if you use too thick a risha. If you have the right shape and thickness, your wrist slaps down the stroke but only the risha tip cuts into the strings, the rest glides over them. Your risha should not be as thick as a credit card, the edges should probably be half that thickness. Some people like soft nylon and polypropylene, but most people seem to prefer a harder, snappier, material, and natural horn is really nice.

Take a look at this slow motion clip, it shows a tremolo, but the same stroke works for normal notes.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FernandRaynaud#p/u/4/v36fv7RorHI

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[*] posted on 6-6-2010 at 12:08 AM


Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud  

What kind of risha do you have?


I would guess, it's one made of thin plastic, which produce the loudest clicking noise of all kinds of rishas.

Regarding the different sound of different kind of risha THIS and THAT thread from end of last year might be helpful.

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..., and natural horn is really nice.


Horn risha are the Mercedes of rishas, the plastic ones are the Hondas ;)

But there are also differences between horn rishas, cow horn sounds different to buffalo horn and the thickness also plays a role ... thin ones also have a clicking sound.

I also got nice experience with turkey wing feathers, but the top of the quill has to be filed perfectly round. But please, don't go hunting birds ... you can buy such feathers.




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