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[*] posted on 6-6-2010 at 01:16 PM
Contest # 3 - Now what?


This is the last, in this series anyway.
I need to hear what and why this time, so be specific.
Here's a hint: it's Greek!
As before, past winners, pros and smarty pants know-it-alls are ineligible.
You may consult to solve the riddle, but I will divide the prize among your team, so each will get a piece of the risha.

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[*] posted on 6-6-2010 at 01:38 PM


i dont think its a manol but an Ilias oud...if the question should be who the maker was :))


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[*] posted on 6-6-2010 at 11:56 PM


Richard, I cannot thank you enough. An envelope arrived today, and my wife brought me the contents: two Dr Oud business cards. I fortunately asked if anything else was in there, and she said no. It wasn't until later that she brung a thin strip of white polyethylene (?) with blue scrawls on it. Whether there's an "o" in there is not going to cause any debate. It's subtle. It's unique. Thank you! :cool:

p.s. It's the first thing I've won in ages. I only hope that in some sort of Lysenko coupling, winning the risha doesn't reduce my chances of more material winnings at the lottery.
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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 09:33 AM


you re doing something to the ribs from inside...
Where is my risha?
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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 12:09 PM


Since I already won the first contest, I can't participate here but i just wanna say that it looks scary!



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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 01:58 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Multi Kulti  
i dont think its a manol but an Ilias oud...if the question should be who the maker was :))
Nikos


nope,
and btw, not Ilias




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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 01:58 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mrkmni  
you re doing something to the ribs from inside...
Where is my risha?

-nothing to do with ribs,
your risha is in your dreams....




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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 05:33 PM


Quote: Originally posted by bibo10  
....it looks scary!
I agree...:mad:
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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 06:24 PM


Maybe a repair of a concavity that has occurred over the years, where rather than taking the face off, a metal bar has been placed under the face through the sound hole, and held in place by the clamps; in order to ensure that the bar stays in place, a towel has been wrapped around it so that the clamp has more surface area to lock on to...?

Or maybe it's just for photographic purposes. Hahahah.

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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 08:13 PM


It's just some "enhanced dental techniques" to make the oud talk ...
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[*] posted on 6-7-2010 at 11:34 PM


Well, it looks like it's the same oud as in your first example.

So is this just the clamping of the horn rose from either side as the glue dries? But that sounds too simple.

So I'll have another go as you haven't expressly forbidden multiple guesses (or does that come under the purview of the "smartypants" rule?).

Is it to do with the brace repair? Are you clamping a temporary bar across the braces to maintain outward pressure while the glue between the repaired brace and the face sets?
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[*] posted on 6-8-2010 at 09:32 AM


it is the same oud....
it's not a dental implant....
there is a wet sock, but not to soften glue...
not brace repair....
nobody got it yet.
keep trying....




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[*] posted on 6-8-2010 at 11:54 AM


Ineligible guess: Humidifier?

Btw as I sit in very humid surroundings my oud is swelling and trying to decide if it likes it. The pegs feel very different. I can see why they use 15:1 taper on softer wood and 30:1 only on very dense woods. If 30:1 pegs swell, you might never loosen them until the monsoon season is over.

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[*] posted on 6-8-2010 at 12:22 PM


no comment on ineligible guesses




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[*] posted on 6-8-2010 at 03:08 PM


OK a shot in the dark

I think the damp sock is to help restore the curved wave that is built into the soundboards of some Greek/Armenian ouds particularly Karibyans (mine included) when looking across the top from the side - for some reason the integrity of that curve was lost (by a broken brace or just age and string tension causing the top to sink) and the top has been humidified to allow the wood to regain some flexibility. My guess is that a brace might have been replaced prior to this to restore this top surface curve and this clamp holds the top in position whilst the top softens very slightly before the new shape 'sets'.

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[*] posted on 6-8-2010 at 03:20 PM


Eligible guess = humidifier?



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[*] posted on 6-8-2010 at 04:05 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Ararat66  
OK a shot in the dark...blah, blah, blah... My guess is that a brace might have been replaced prior to this to restore this top surface curve and this clamp holds the top in position whilst the top softens very slightly before the new shape 'sets'.

Leon:D

nope. you know a shot in the dark rarely hits the right target.

nor is it a humidifier eligible or not.

btw; the face curve is created by cutting the top edge of the bowel into a concave plane, or the shaping the top edge of the braces. This shape prevents the face from twisting around the tone brace (forward of the bridge) which can result in the face rising up in a hump below the shams and interfering with the risha. The face is not "soft" nor does it "set" into a shape. The face follows the plane defined by the braces and/or the top edge of the bowel.

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[*] posted on 6-8-2010 at 05:01 PM


To hold the transverse pieces of wood in their places..
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[*] posted on 6-9-2010 at 03:38 AM


maybe the solution hides beyond what's in discussion in this other topic:
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=10786#pid73...

so maybe the sock is wet with a solution to kill with evaporation the bacters coming from the use in the past of old hide glue that now is smelling bad
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[*] posted on 6-9-2010 at 02:19 PM


nope, nobody has got it yet...



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[*] posted on 6-9-2010 at 02:24 PM


Another shot in the dark.

To clean the inside from glue. Your hand is too big to fit in the soundhole, so you used a clamp with bar at the end and a wet towel.

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[*] posted on 6-10-2010 at 02:58 PM


Quote: Originally posted by FastForward  
Another shot in the dark.

To clean the inside from glue. Your hand is too big to fit in the soundhole, so you used a clamp with bar at the end and a wet towel.


not glue cleanup, and I can get my hand and arm up to my elbow into the hole if I need to, no worries....
not yet...




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[*] posted on 6-10-2010 at 05:43 PM


It is so hard. Give one Risah to all participants...
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[*] posted on 6-11-2010 at 09:53 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mrkmni  
It is so hard. Give one Risah to all participants...

now what kind of contest would that be?




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[*] posted on 6-11-2010 at 09:55 AM


Quote: Originally posted by oudistcamp  
The wet sock is keeping the support beam (under it) moist. The beam is used to level the split face while gluing. The moisture prevents the glue from gluing the face to the support beam if there is any excess glue.

Well at least you got the wet sock part. Good enough for an atta boy!
There is no beam under it, and the face is not split, however, so the riddle is not yet solved.
keep trying....




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