Khanabat
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microphone
I am looking into buying a mic for my oud to use with sound systems in live performances. I am not into pickups.
Do you have an idea what are my options?
much appreciated,
od
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mourad_X
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I use a Peavey PVM 45 (Hypercardioid Dynamic) Microphone
it is fantastic for live-performance.
its a secretly tip
best wishes
mourad
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mourad_X
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another nice an very famouse one is the SHURE SM 57
regards
mourad
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muthada
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Hi Khanabat
as a sound man i love to work with 2 mic 1 is sm57beta(dynamic) and the other one is sm 81(condenser).
regards
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eliot
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Beyerdynamic m88 sounds quite a bit better than a stock SM57... not super cheap, though.
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AGAPANTHOS
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What is your opinion about the Neumann microphones and especially for the Series 180? Its been few days since i have one of them at home.
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eliot
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I personally think the 184 is incredibly bright and shrill. For live use, it is also very feedback prone. For the small condensors, the Josephson C42,
old Neumann KM84 (hard to find but worth it) are much better. The SM81 that Muthada mentioned I think would work better live than the KM184.
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japan
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I use Marshall MXL USB .007 Stereo Condencer Microphone. It is a USB and has a built in mixter, preump and a sound card. So, you don't need any
other gears or preamps and it is working more than perfect. No surronded noise and very clear sound. It actually sounds like you were recoring in a
pro. studio. I love it.
I bought it for $190. You can get at ebay.
Hope this helps.
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Lintfree
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David Grissman uses KM184's or KM184's for his mandolin live. There are Audio-Technika condensers that are great too and work on a battery. But the
main thing is to get an EQ for whatever you use. A graphic equalizer is the best, I've found. You get to get real specific about what frequencies you
want to cut.
There is now a B+K miniature mic ($500.) on the market that I tried. It's so small you can stick it into the rosette and it sounds huge. I've also
found that the better sounding the oud is accoustically the harder it is to amplify without feedback. Good luck. D.L.
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MatthewW
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small diaphram condendser mics
Hello all- I'd like to update this thread and ask if anyone is using one of the small diaphram condenser mics for live performance, and which one, and
if you can add any more info to the posts above.
The Neumann K184 has been mentioned, which is a very good mic but on the pricey side and I also find has a bit of a sharp edge for oud.
Has anyone tried using the SE Electronics SE-3A, or the Rode NT5-S?
Let us know what small diaphram condenser mic you find works best for you for firstly LIVE oud performance, and if then also good in the studio.
Thanks! 
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Ararat66
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I'm trying to record some samples but need a better setup. What mics would people recommend for decent home recording - not cheap but not too
expensive.
Hi Matthew - are you gigging solo or with your band?
Best of luck
Leon
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eliot
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It depends on your oud and your playing style, but either small or diaphragm condenser mics can work well for recording oud.
Again, the Josephson C42 is an excellent choice and affordable relative to its quality. I use it both for recordings and live work. Many around these
parts like the DPA 4060, a very small condenser mic, which is pretty much the go-to acoustic instrument mic for the largest and best equipped sound
venues. I find no need for using EQ when using these mics for recording or live performance.
I'm not a fan of the Neumann KM184 for oud - it brings out too much of the picking noise and not enough of the upper midrange. I can see why it would
work on mandolin - they really want to hear that pick articulation sound, and David likes his mandolin to cut through in busy mixes.
If you have even more $$$ to spare, the Microtek-Gefell M300 is one of the best SDCs available on the market. Large diaphragm-condensers often bring
out more richness when recording the oud (I love tracking the oud with a Neumann U47, though those cost about $12,000 these days and therefore
probably aren't in the running for most of you), but LDCs have no protection against feedback for live situations and therefore aren't recommended for
live work.
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MatthewW
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Thanks for the info Eliot. I think I'll go for a matched pair of those Neumann U47's....
How do you use the DPA 4060 for live performances with your oud? I've only seen photos of it on the web, it's a very small mic, do you attach it to a
mic stand and place it near to the instrument, or attach it directly to the oud or into a sound hole? thanks.
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Greg
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It might be a good idea to revisit this thread:
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=4972#pid321...
I sometimes use the MXL991 small diaphragm condenser with very good results. I got the tip for that microphone from Brian Prunka.
But in a large loud outdoor environment, a properly EQed Shure SM57 is hard to beat.
Regards,
Greg
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Kelly
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Hi Leon
For recording I've got reasonable results from AKG 1000 stage/studio mic. around (£80-100)you can alter the pick up pattern. They are reasonably
robust and have a flatish response. Used with a good quality preamp/sound card you should get reasonable results. Also check out the Rode mics. They
are not dear.I've got good results with them in the past, even on fiddles!
Regards
Kelly
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Sazi
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Anyone on a low budget should give the chinese-made Takstar small diaphram condenser mic's a go, they're incredibly cheap, (avail on e-bay) and have
great rejection of any off axis sound. I've used them live thru a P.A. with two percussionists and a cellist, no feedback and no problems, you need
48v phantom power, but most mixers/ audio interfaces have this onboard.
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MatthewW
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Hi Sazi- Is it the Takstar PCM 6100 you are talking about?
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Sidi
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Hi,
Anyone tried M-Audio's mics? I'm mainly interested in the Sputnik, Solaris and Luna condensers:
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.family&ID=micropho...
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