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am I on track?
I got this PDF with the C major scale... now what?
Do you use this PDF page as my writing page some how??
I figured LILYPAD would open like a normal program when I double click on the ICON... but when I do that, all it does is keep giving me this
instruction sheet about doing this "test.ly"
...so I'm confused as to how to start putting notes on "paper", and then of course playback comes a bit later...
thanks
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Reda Aouad
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Oh I see.. hehe..
So let me tell you how it works.. of course you can't use the PDF file to write your notes on!
You must edit the test.ly file. How? Well you can follow the instructions in here http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/...
But to tell you quickly.. you edit the test.ly (you can rename it of course) and write something like:
{
c d eeh f g a beh c
}
which is now the Rast "scale" (don't quote me on that :P)
('eh' after the note is half-flat according to the German dictionary included by default.. you can include others to change the notes name to DO RE MI
for example and to b for flat. etc...)
you can write:
{
c4 d8 e8 f4 g16 a16 b16 c16
}
and you'll get a quarter note c, eighth d and e, and 4 sixteenth g a b c in your measure..
I found the tutorial I gave you above very useful.. so try it.. and whenever you're unsure about something we can always figure it out together 
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Reda Aouad
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And of course you regenerate the PDF file to see what the output has become after editing the ly file..
So the PDF file is only a compilation of what you wrote in the ly file.. you will have to generate it every time you edit the ly file..
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Edward Powell
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Oh, WoW!
Yes, I totally catch the concept now! ...this is by first experience with a "text based interface". I really like the concept - you just learn the
code, and then off you go! Great!
What about playback... how do you do this [ok I can just read the tutorial, but I'm lazy ) ]?
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Reda Aouad
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Ok now for the extremely simple MIDI part..
your text file should look like this:
\score {
{MUSIC}
\midi {
\context {
\Score
tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 72 4)
}
}
}
You would write your code in the {MUSIC} red section above.. and edit the tempo.. the sample above shows 72bpms, with the beat=4 which is a quarter
note.. now run your .ly file again and it will generate the MIDI.. but not the PDF.. still didn't figure out how to generate both..
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Edward Powell
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
...this is really easy! and the microtones are good. The great thing also is that the text and sound files are universal - anyone can open them!
this is really revolutionary...
I just composed a new piece combining makam ussak and raga bageshri... let's see if i can get it texted up - then i will try to post it for fun...
thank EVERYBODY for all this great help!
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Reda Aouad
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Wait! Where are you going?
I'm still figuring out how to have a custom key signature.. it's working just give me some time..
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Edward Powell
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...ok, I will be lazy and wait for you to figure these things out.
I will need custom key signature and time signatures.
I guess the tutorial tells the codes for all the notes and rests......
...so I will go back to composing and wait... THANKS
Now I'm composing a piece combining makam hicaz and raga bahar... nice combination!
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Reda Aouad
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well.. for the custom key signature.. go to http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Writing-p... and scroll down to the section "selected snippets" it couldn't be clearer..
as for the time signature.. it is also straight to the point in this document http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond/Time-signa...
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This page might help for arabic key signatures
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Arabic-mu...
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Are you guys using Lilypond on PC or Mac? I tried it on Mac but it was very cumbersome. I've spent so much time learning Finale that learning another
system seems like too much work.
At this point, there isn't anything I can't do in Finale, so I'll probably stick with it.
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Well I am using it on Windows.. and so seems Ed..
It will take some time to learn it.. So far I've managed to learn the basics today.. but it will definitely take some time to grasp all the different
features when you want to have a complex music sheet.
One great advantage is that the MIDI playback is natively accurate to the coma.. which is great.. and I personally find myself much more comfortable
editing with it.
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Well I'm still searching for the Arabic half-flat sign.. a slashed 'b'.. you can use it inline before the note but still can't seem to use it in the
key signature.. and the page you provided says:
The symbol for semi-flat does not match the symbol which is used in Arabic notation. The \dwn symbol defined in arabic.ly may be used preceding a
flat symbol as a work around if it is important to use the specific Arabic semi-flat symbol. The appearance of the semi-flat symbol in the key
signature cannot be altered by using this method.
So any thoughts on this?
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To get the microtonal key signature thing working, in the block of code right before you start putting notes, try something like this:
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\override Accidental #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\override Staff.KeySignature #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\set Staff.keySignature = #'( (3 . 4/9) (6 . -1/9) )
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This will give you a key signature with a backwards-flat on B, and a sharp on the F above.
If you wanted to make that a slash-flat (Reda), change just one number:
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\override Accidental #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\override Staff.KeySignature #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\set Staff.keySignature = #'( (3 . 4/9) (6 . -4/9) )
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The note
bb
should give you a b-slash-flat.
but, you need to make sure the first line in your document is:
\include "makamheader.ly"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by eliot
but, you need to make sure the first line in your document is:
\include "makamheader.ly" |
Eliot, where do you get "makamheader.ly" from? As far as I know these are the only makam init files in the current stable version 2.12.0:
makam-init.ly
makam.ly
and actually when open either of them up, looks like one is just a more recent version.
Let me know if there's another init file I'm not seeing!!
Great you guys are using Lilypond! I'm swamped with other things this week but soon if I get a chance I'd love to share some of the things I've
found.
adam
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by the way it looks like there is an init file called "arabic.ly" if you \include it try this:
dod dob dosd \dwn dob dobsb dodsd do
I don't have a chance now to check it out but probably it's cool for Arabic music.
also at the bottom are some key sig formats
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Reda Aouad
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Thank you all for the suggestions
I've tried your solution Eliot.. including makam.ly (and not makamheader.ly) and setting the symbol for the slashed b.. but I don't want the Turkish
comas being played back.. I write Arabic notations with only quarter notes.. so I ended up creating my own arabic_maqam.ly file with definitions for
notes names (I like to use the DO RE MI notation), quarters tones (only 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4), their intervals, their accidentals symbols, and the
different maqam groups for the key signature. This way everything is Arabic and the playback is perfect. Basically there are maqam groups in arabic.ly
which I started to copy from, but there are two problems:
1. The accidentals ordering in the key signature is sometimes wrong.. for example include arabic.ly and try the key of bayati SOL with the following:
\key sol \bayati.. the ordering of the accidentals in the key signature is weird..
2. Include arabic.ly and try the key signature \key mi \ rast.. Rast on MI.. it doesn't compile.. it says in the log file that no ordering of
accidentals is defined.. what is going wrong?
Thanks for the help if anyone has answers to the above.. once solved - Im sure there are ways to solve them since I started to get a feeling how much
this tool is versatile.. once solve I'll stick to it..
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Edward Powell
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This is all really really great, and I can see that LILYPAD is going to solve all of my writing makam needs including pretty good playback.
At the moment I have managed to get the written notes thing going - as well as the playback - BUT I have not yet managed to be able to generate BOTH
PDF FILE AND AUDIO FILE at the same time...
...any suggestions here??
Thanks!
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Reda Aouad
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Well you should have both the \midi and \layout sections in your \score section.. this is what I understood by googling.. but still didn't figure out
how..
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Edward Powell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by eliot
To get the microtonal key signature thing working, in the block of code right before you start putting notes, try something like this:
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\override Accidental #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\override Staff.KeySignature #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\set Staff.keySignature = #'( (3 . 4/9) (6 . -1/9) )
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This will give you a key signature with a backwards-flat on B, and a sharp on the F above.
If you wanted to make that a slash-flat (Reda), change just one number:
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\override Accidental #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\override Staff.KeySignature #'glyph-name-alist = \makamGlyphs
\set Staff.keySignature = #'( (3 . 4/9) (6 . -4/9) )
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The note
bb
should give you a b-slash-flat.
but, you need to make sure the first line in your document is:
\include "makamheader.ly" |
I am finding it really tough to figure out how to get the TURKISH NOTATION AND PLAYBACK working... I tried these suggestions from Eliot (thanks!) but
it is not working at all. Won't even give me a PDF.
I prefer the Turkish way because it offers more fine tuning for the microtones... as in my composing sometimes I use Arab intonation, sometimes
Turkish.
I figured out the Arabic thing easily because there is a section in the tutorial for ARABIC MUSIC.
But I could not find any such section for turkish music.
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Edward Powell
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Why is there a section in the tutorial dedicated to Arabic music, and nothing dedicated to Turkish music? There must be something somewhere
explaining how this is done... I will try to google it. . . . . . . .
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I wish I had the answers.. I focused only on Arabic notation.. and I got everything I want so far except for generating both MIDI and PDF.. worst case
I may generate each separately..
AMAZING software!
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Edward Powell
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ok... in the worst case I can also just use arab notation... anyway it is close enough 
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Reda Aouad
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Ed.. let me help you.. are you using Windows?
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Hey Eliot,
can Lilypond do the Arabic half flat with the bar through the stem? Or is it only the backwards flat?
thanks
tom
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