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Ararat66 - 12-18-2010 at 04:24 AM

Anyone try one of these

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinwhatsnewp.htm

Cheers from a snowy south of England

Leon

nayoud - 12-18-2010 at 06:23 AM

They look interesting ... they've been talked about for sometime on the unfretted forum but they're not for sale before NAMM 2011 gotta wait !

Sasha - 12-18-2010 at 01:12 PM

Well, I lost all interest with his comment about pegs being a nightmare - it's an interesting instrument, but falling back on that hoary old canard for marketing purposes?

Nope, deal breaker.

spyros mesogeia - 12-18-2010 at 09:49 PM

WHAT ABOUT THE PRICES ABOUT THOSE INSTRUMENTS?

Ararat66 - 12-19-2010 at 03:10 AM

Hi folks

Well I'll be honest with you - I love innovation etc but to me the magic of the oud resides in no small part to its hand-made nature, so I don't really see this as intrinsically an oud - but nonetheless it does look an interesting instrument that allows for 'oudiness' to be expressed well. A friend of mine passed this on to me so I have passed in on to you - the experts

I have to say that both my ouds stay in tune very well, I have Haluk intermediate, and my lovely Tasos oud so tuning isn't an issue really.

I'd love to try a fretless guitar at somepoint also.

Cheers

Leon

Sazi - 12-19-2010 at 06:01 AM

IMHO It's not an oud, it's not even an oud-shaped object, and I don't think it sounds much like an acoustic oud either, and as for the chambered body... well it looks to be roughly the same size (i.e. weight) as their multiac guitars, I've tried the top-of-the-line Multiac nylon string... I absolutely loved it... but for 2 things... 1) It weighed a ton! 2) It was way out of my price league.

Although I actually like the way it sustains "forever" I can see that being a problem with a lot of traditional tunes and/or playing styles.

I agree that it does allow for expression of 'oudiness' , certainly more so than a fretless guitar, in my hands, at least... totally different instruments/feels/tunings.

I think my oud playing could quite easily become very avant garde/arty-farty with one of these... :cool:

Why do I want one?!

I don't have any tuning problems with my pro ouds whatsoever, all ebony pegs too, which people seem to dis, in fact I rarely ever need to tune, but I do remember my cheap Turkish student and amateur oud-shaped horrors, slipping pegs, sticking pegs, the damn things were like barometers, and needed tuning numerous times a day, but this instrument will be priced in the pro range and should be able to have perfectly good oud-style pegs/pegbox, maybe at a shallower angle like the Nevud. http://www.veyselmuzik.com/eng/nevud.php

Leon, just do what I did for my EBow guitar,- buy a cheap secondhand guitar and rip the frets out, if you heat the frets with a soldering iron they come out cleaner with little or no tear-out, and if you then run a bit of sandpaper over the neck you don't even need to fill the slots. You will also need to file the nut down, I ended up making a new lower one, the old one was plastic and anyway it was good practice.

It's a cheap way to find out if you actually like the thing.

I bought a short scale so it was closer to oud length.

abusin - 12-20-2010 at 05:40 AM

Hi Folks,

Indeed it's an intersting instrument worth a try Leon :cool:

There is another Godin one on UK ebay if you go 50/50 we can share it

Godin guitar/ Nylon

Kelly - 12-20-2010 at 12:33 PM

Hey Awad I know you've gt a fever but I'm calling the doc right now!!

Peyman - 12-20-2010 at 07:28 PM

Does any of you guys play fretless nylon/classical guitar?

abusin - 12-21-2010 at 02:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Kelly

Hey Awad I know you've gt a fever but I'm calling the doc right now!!

Kelly you know my randyness when I see anything wearing strings :cool:

Come on then Leon did not reply are you on for a 50/50?

abusin - 12-21-2010 at 02:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Peyman

Does any of you guys play fretless nylon/classical guitar?

Hi Peyman,

I tried one nylon/ classical guitar "not aGodin" 15 years ago and I loved it, If I can afford this one I won't hesitate

Ararat66 - 12-21-2010 at 05:01 AM

Hi Awad

What's in the Madchester water

I'm only a little tempted but wouldn't mind trying fretless guitar, the Godins look very nice. I have to say I have so far to go on oud that I ought to concentrate on that get a few more pieces under my fingers.

Have a great New Year

Leon

abusin - 12-21-2010 at 05:15 AM

Hi Leon Manchester is COLD man

wish you and your folks all the best for Xmas and new year
best luck with your quest

mavrothis - 12-21-2010 at 06:08 AM

This seems like a nice innovation. Not so different than my friend Drew's hollow body electric oud: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=11349

The main difference is the electronics and the cutaway (and Drew's electric is very light weight).

m

Peyman - 12-21-2010 at 07:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by abusin

Quote: Originally posted by Peyman

Does any of you guys play fretless nylon/classical guitar?

Hi Peyman,

I tried one nylon/ classical guitar "not aGodin" 15 years ago and I loved it, If I can afford this one I won't hesitate

Oh Yes, I meant to ask if anyone has played their (Godin's) fretless. Hopefully it's not too pricy :airguitar:

Ararat66 - 12-21-2010 at 09:25 AM

Hi Folks

Awad, I was in Manchester the other week only for one night at Kelly's - hope to see you soon buddy, have a great New Year.

Hi Peyman - I'd love to try the glissantar, particularly as it is double-strung in 6 courses like oud. An acoustic version would be nice ... if I had time I'd make one myself.

Best wishes

Leon

nayoud - 12-21-2010 at 09:26 AM

Peyman

Godin's multiac series are great ... good build ... I haven't tried their glissentar though ....the only thing that stopped me from buying one was string availability .... does anybody kow how much this new oud will cost ? These Godin's are usually not cheap unlike their electric guitars, seagull and simon & Patrick brands...

Peyman - 12-21-2010 at 10:26 AM

Leon, I forgot all about the glissentar. They actually have a fretless classical which I kind of like. Single strings and double strings change the way one plays. It's much harder to pull some of the repertoire with double strings. That's why I only use 6 strings on my cumbus.
I should mention that I converted a cheap classical guitar (made in korea) once by taking off the original fretboard (which was dyed soft wood) and putting a fretless one in its place. The guitar itself was low quality so it didn't work out the way I was hoping for. But it's a nice toy.

But these Godin guys are relentless. I think They're making all the possible combinations. My guess is that they'll produce more eastern inspired instruments once their oud takes off.

Aymara - 12-21-2010 at 01:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Peyman

I forgot all about the glissentar.

It's great ... LISTEN ... but even better with Thomastik Infeld flatwound strings.

Only downside is, it comes with guitar tuning.

Peyman - 12-21-2010 at 02:02 PM

Chris, It sounds really nice. I wonder how hard it would be to make one...

Aymara - 12-22-2010 at 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Peyman

I wonder how hard it would be to make one...

It's not easy, because it is a chambered closed body ... similar to chambered electric guitars in general.

The neck is less hassle, because it is like a regular 12-string neck ... just fretless and missing one tuning peg

Brian Prunka - 12-22-2010 at 07:28 PM

A chambered solid body is much much easier to make than a traditional oud body. No bending, no planing (after the initial slab of wood is planed). You just cut out the shape and rout the chambers.

Aymara - 12-23-2010 at 11:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka

You just cut out the shape and rout the chambers.

It's not so easy as it sounds

Brian Prunka - 12-23-2010 at 01:53 PM

Of course it requires some skill, but it is certainly much easier than making any kind of true hollow body guitar or an oud bowl.

It's also something that can be done almost entirely by CNC machines, which is not (yet) possible for an oud or hollow body guitar.

Point being, it is cost-saving from a manufacturing standpoint, not something that would make it more expensive (unless you're comparing to a simple solid body electric oud like Sukar etc.).

Peyman - 12-23-2010 at 02:11 PM

On top of what Mr. Prunka said, it's even easier because you don't have to deal with fret installations. I am not savy with electric instruments but what I've read the shape of the chamber is important in holoowbodies. Or if it's bent sides, there is a block inserted into the instrument that affects the tone. So some experience is required. Otherwise it would be a nice project for someone...

oudtab - 1-10-2011 at 05:05 AM

Godin MultiOud for Namm Show 2011

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultioudp.htm

http://www.namm.org/thenammshow/2011/

Aymara - 1-10-2011 at 08:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by oudtab

Godin MultiOud for Namm Show 2011

Nice too see, it's already listed on the Godin website.

Now we only need to find out it's price ;-)

BTW ... sounds nearly exactly as the Glissentar, but that baby is in guitar tuning, so the MultiOud is more tempting. Especially because we can continue to use our favorite strings too.

PS: The only thing I don't like is the ugly mandoline like peg box. But we all know, how expensive planetary oud pegs are. So they did it to keep the costs down.

oudtab - 1-11-2011 at 09:30 AM

Bonjour,

I don't know the multioud price, but the glissentar is sold 950$ (Amazon.com) :

http://www.amazon.com/Godin-A11-Two-Chambered-Electro-Acoustic-Fret...

Aymara - 1-11-2011 at 09:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by oudtab

..., but the glissentar is sold 950$

Yes, I know, thanks. In Germany I would pay around 1000-1100€

I expect the Multioud below 1500€, but we'll see.

Jaffa Road - 1-30-2011 at 01:41 PM

Well I have had one for about three days now and find it very hard to put down.

I am loving it- I am talking about the multi-oud not to be confused with the glissentar (did not like it) and the fretless classical guitar (have not tried it).

I am going to write a a full review for you shortly (early this coming week) and post it here.

It short I think there are some wonderful innovations and so far I thouroughly enjoy playing it. I also have a Godin multiac nylon and the LG-SA electric guitar . I think they are all exceptional instruments.

http://www.jaffaroad.com

Jaffa Road - 1-30-2011 at 03:06 PM

Well I have had one for about three days now and find it very hard to put down.

I am loving it- I am talking about the multi-oud not to be confused with the glissentar (did not like it) and the fretless classical guitar (have not tried it).

I am going to write a a full review for you shortly (early this coming week) and post it here.

It short I think there are some wonderful innovations and so far I thoroughly enjoy playing it. I also have a Godin multiac nylon and the LG-SA electric guitar . I think they are all exceptional instruments.

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Sazi - 1-30-2011 at 11:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Jaffa Road

Well I have had one for about three days now

What is the price?

cheers

Ararat66 - 1-31-2011 at 01:00 AM

I'll have to find one in the UK to try - for me the acoustic oud is such an amazing instrument to feel and play that I would have to not expect the same from something like thing - but it looks so interesting.

Leon

Jason - 1-31-2011 at 08:15 AM

http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/MULTIOUD.htm

$1576

paulO - 2-1-2011 at 10:13 AM

There are some other clips of the multi-oud that sound more oud like,
http://www.muzicosphere.com/geek-de-zic/5049?lang=en
It's just another option in the amplified oud market. The built in electronics are both a blessing and a curse, and John Bilezikjian's been playing ouds with guitar bridges mounted on them, with a custom pickup system for eons. The fact that a mainstream manafacturer has brought one out -- that's a trip. Very interesting price point too !

Regards..Paul

fernandraynaud - 2-1-2011 at 04:25 PM

The guy who does the demos for Godin should stick to demoing sruti boxes, electric sitars and glissentars. It's impossible to even roughly anticipate the timbre of the multiOud based on his playing.

And yes, Monsieur Robe'r God'ahn has earned my deepest and long-lasting antipathy for the way he markets and talks to the kiddies about the primitive oud with its tuning problems and all, compared to his magnifeeq masheen!

That's not to say this couldn't make a good electric stage oud, it could be very useful.